Religion

[Tim White]

I suggest religion for civ3. It would be like governments, except you could have as many as you wanted at a time. Heres a list of Religions I suggest:

- Buddhism

- Catholism

- Mormonism

- Jewdism

- Athiesm

- Idolism

Religions would start automaticaly, throughout the game, and would start in any city, and any civ. They would then expand from there. When a new religion is introduced to your civ, it gives you the option of how to treat it:

1. Support it
2. Nuetral towards it
3. Do not support it
4. Condemn it.

When an enemy takes a city of yours, that is the headquarters (origonal city) of that religion, then that religion has the right to order a crusade from there former civ. THe government must order it, no matter what they think of it. A crusade would be used to take back that city.

Religions would start at random times during the game, like at year 1 AD, a message would pop up, saying:
"Jesus Christ starts new religion in holy land." or something like that.

[CornMaster]

I think using religions in the game will complicate it too much. And you would need more religions than that to make people happy!!

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[Tim White]

I think you are wrong (no offence). Religions have had as much of a part of history as governments, or more. I realize that more religions would be needed, but those were the main ones I could come up with at the moment.

[Nikolai]

You have read "The List", haven't you??

[Tim White]

quote: Originally posted by Nikolai on 10-23-2000 03:48 PM You have read "The List", haven't you??

I have read some. Why??

[Christantine The Great]

Religions are a no-no. They will always alienate some group if they forgot one. And they will all make the Atheists (Like me) mad. I think the idea of having religions based on the civ's color are bad too. They just don't fit into the "Start the world over my way!" theme of Civ II.

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[Dom Pedro II]

How about just making the religion names something that that is made up by the player at the beginning of the game. That way no one is offended, and the player can still maintain his/her originality. There should be an automatic shuffling that puts out four religions at a time or so. Then newer religions come later on, and they can affect things like government efficiency because religions with one god seem to be more effective in consolidating power than polytheistic religions.

[zyxpsilon]

Need i remind, everyone, that religion is ALREADY well represented into the tech-model (Monotheism...).

Although it has had a great influence over many aspects of countries, populations, and other aspects of overall consciousness (historically), the general idea about Civ's progress is that they must rely on a steady supply of Food, a cunning flair at Trading and a sturdy mecanism to Produce.

Besides, happiness of your citizens is vastly controlled by the above factors and by what sort of government rules them.

Let's had a new specialist to that list? Entertainers, Taxmen, Scientists... "prophets,preachers?"

[Tim White]

I like that idea of prophets and preachers besides taxemen, sientists, and entertainers. I was hoping for more then that though, that each religion would have a different effect, like Mormonism would be 10% more tithes (gold). Since the mormons do pay 10% of every thing they earn to help the poor and needy. And each religion would effect different civs. like Catholism would effect europians more then americans. But, just a thought, so dont jump on me.

[Dom Pedro II]

quote: Need i remind, everyone, that religion is ALREADY well represented into the tech-model (Monotheism...).

Religion is HARDLY represented in the tech-model. And even if it were, religion is not a technology. A ruler can not simply research a new religion he wants. If he could, the entire history of Western civilization would be different. And why are there Cathedrals and Chapels? Who forgot to pass around the memo on the arrival of the messiah? because when the game hits 0 A.D., I don't remember being informed.

And other than the wonders and the city improvements, it really had no effect. Nothing really changed from it. As I said, a polytheistic religion is much more difficult to have a consolidation of power because every city has its own god that they pledge loyalty to . Monotheism unites the entire nation under one god, and with Monarchy, the king is the divine ruler thus making him even more powerful.

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[Lestat]

Good idea about the preachers / prophets...

I agree with Dom Pedro... remove Religion from the
tech tree...

[wernazuma]

To me it sounds good that a player at the beginning of the game has to specify his people's religion and the AI opponents would have their particular religions. Only a concept of different religions for different peoples gives meaning to the idea of preachers or missionaries. Although I personally think there is religious "advance" from Animism to Messianism and finally Atheism, I probably get stoned by others if I'd suggest to make "Atheism" as a last and ultimate religious advance. Therefore default religions at the beginning of the game without a statement about "advance" seem to be the most simple and less affronting to me.

[Caesar]

Tim White: you forgot Hinduism, Islam, the Baha'i Faith... and Mormonism? That belongs in a general Christianity section, perhaps?

Religion is a MUST! All the major civilizations of the past have been shaped, or destroyed, by the major religions.

Ancient Egypt declined with the advent of Judaism.

The Roman Empire declined with the advent of Christianity.

The Byzantine Empire declined with the advent of Islam.

Etc.

Religion has been a MAJOR part of history and it should not be ignored in Civ3 - indeed it should be fully integrated as a big feature, something that defines aspects of the way things occur... I don't have specific ideas, but the concept is important.

However to use real-world religions is insane. Not only could it have potentially unpleasant and divisive real-world effects, but its not fair on people who believe in one religion or another.

So made-up religions should be used. The principles of these religions is secondary in terms of the game.

C.

[Stefu]

There's pretty good religion model in The List. Worth taking a look, at any rate.

[DarkCloud]

Religion should not be in civ... too controversial.