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    this was our last chat with ND, it's not that long but has some interesting points:

    Session Start: Thu Jul 29 11:50:32 2004
    Session Ident: #gow_cofa
    [11:50] * Now talking in #gow_cofa
    [11:50] * Topic is 'The Glory of Diplomacy: Cheese, women, football and backstabbing'
    [11:50] * Set by MasterZen on Fri Jun 18 14:03:42
    [11:50] * ChanServ sets mode: +o MasterZen
    [11:50] [MasterZen] hi
    [11:50] [Zayxus] Hello!
    [11:51] [Darekill] Hi,
    [11:51] [MasterZen] sorry I'm late, I was.. ehem... sleeping
    [11:51] [Darekill] just a second BrB
    [11:51] [Zayxus] At day time?
    [11:51] [MasterZen] I was sick (again) since last week
    [11:52] [MasterZen] I decided the best way to cure it was with antibiotics and a LOT of sleep
    [11:52] [MasterZen] so I've been sleeping like 10 hours each night
    [11:52] [Zayxus] Get well soon!
    [11:52] [Zayxus] Yes , sleep is good then.
    [11:54] [Darekill] We just discovered something...
    [11:54] [MasterZen] a massive Lego fleet?
    [11:54] [Darekill] ND has still an active RoP with Lego....
    [11:54] [Darekill] That gave me a thought.
    [11:54] [MasterZen] an "evil" thought?
    [11:54] [Darekill] An evil scout...
    [11:55] [MasterZen] hmmmmm....
    [11:55] [Darekill] We could sen one Transport with one Scout....
    [11:55] [MasterZen] where could it land that Lego wouldn't find out?
    [11:55] [Darekill] if we can land him unnoticed.
    [11:55] [MasterZen] THAT's the problem
    [11:55] [Darekill] We would need the permission from VoX and a save passage.
    [11:56] [MasterZen] I doubt Vox would agree to it
    [11:56] [MasterZen] Vox is Lego's vassal
    [11:56] [Darekill] Even if we coul lan d it noticed but then they would wall it with units...
    [11:56] [Darekill] Agh it wont work..
    [11:57] [Darekill] would have been lovely.
    [11:57] [MasterZen] yes, VERY lovely
    [11:57] [MasterZen] isn't there a spy option to steal another's world map?
    [11:57] [Darekill] Yes ther is.
    [11:58] [Darekill] At least there was one in Civ2
    [11:58] [Darekill] It's still there.
    [11:58] [MasterZen] yeah, just checked
    [11:58] [Darekill] I just checked.
    [11:58] [Darekill] cp
    [11:59] [MasterZen] doesn't look too expensive either
    [11:59] [Darekill] fine.
    [11:59] [MasterZen] I just hope I don't die of a heart attack after we discover how big Lego really is :S
    [11:59] [Darekill] How do I get Vondrak to think canceling that dammn RoP is his idea?
    [12:00] [MasterZen] how long until it runs out?
    [12:00] * MasterZen hopes there's a giant lake in the middle of lego
    [12:00] [Darekill] It doesnt.
    [12:00] [Zayxus] :|
    [12:00] [MasterZen] RoPs last 20 turns
    [12:00] [MasterZen] maybe you have "automatically renegotiate deals" on
    [12:01] [Darekill] It is an everlasting stupid freacking not easy canceble Contract which does not run out...
    [12:01] [Darekill] I don'T know why.
    [12:01] [MasterZen] sounds like marriage
    [12:01] [Darekill] I'd have to renegotiate it.
    [12:01] [Zayxus] Maybe in Civ 4 it is different?
    [12:01] [Darekill] over the diplo screen.
    [12:02] [Darekill] If I tell Lego we want to cancle it they suspect something.
    [12:04] [MasterZen] hmmm
    [12:04] [MasterZen] I wonder if our RoP with Lego is still active too...
    [12:04] [Darekill] How did you manage it to be everlasting Zayxus?
    [12:04] [Darekill] Just have a look at it MZ.
    [12:06] [Zayxus] There are only facts. There is not a trick for everlasting ROP.
    [12:08] [MasterZen] loading...
    [12:08] [Darekill] I get cashes if i click to much in the diplomenu...
    [12:09] [Darekill] crashes.
    [12:10] [Darekill] our Rop with you seems to be never ending too.
    [12:10] [MasterZen] hmm... this is wierd:
    [12:10] [MasterZen] according to our diplo screen
    [12:10] [MasterZen] Lego is giving us IRON
    [12:10] [MasterZen] we're giving them WINES
    [12:11] [MasterZen] yet in the F2 screen, it shows Lego is giving us Dyes
    [12:12] [Darekill] If you ask me, that diplo thing is quite mixed up!
    [12:12] [Zayxus] wierd. wish, there is a refresh-button.
    [12:13] [Darekill] But we can Test things with the RoP Thing.
    [12:13] [Darekill] Next turn I try to cancel our RoP and you tell me if you can notice it.
    [12:14] [Darekill] Hell we can test it right now.
    [12:14] [Darekill] I'll send you a save. Just tell me if you get a notice that I cancle the ROP.
    [12:15] [MasterZen] ok
    [12:15] [Darekill] This is funny I can't pick our Rop. I get our Peacecontract...
    [12:15] [Darekill] I'll try again...
    [12:16] [MasterZen] I think the only way is to declare war and then peace
    [12:17] [Zayxus] but how do we get L to do so?
    [12:18] [Darekill] No I can choose the ROP with Lego seperately but if I try it with GoW I get Peace AND RoP together and can't single it out...
    [12:18] [Darekill] This is a complete mess.
    [12:18] [MasterZen] so you CAN cancel the RoP with Lego?
    [12:19] [Darekill] Yes but then they'll probably notice it.
    [12:20] [Darekill] I wanted to make it so, that they think the game cancled it or that it just ran out like a luxury trade...
    [12:21] [MasterZen] how will they notice it?
    [12:21] [Zayxus] wont work , we are all professionals in Civ.
    [12:21] [Darekill] If I put it on the Diplo screen thy do notice it, don't they?
    [12:22] [MasterZen] ahh
    [12:22] [MasterZen] I still think maybe in a while we should start a thread about diplomatic "incosistencies"
    [12:23] [Darekill] Yes!
    [12:23] [Darekill] I#m confudssed about it.
    [12:24] [MasterZen] btw, off-topic, any of you play Sim City?
    [12:24] [Darekill] A long time ago...
    [12:24] [Zayxus] 2000, yes
    [12:25] [Zayxus] 3000, a little.
    [12:25] [Zayxus] why?
    [12:25] [MasterZen] the alst couple of days I made a city based on Imperial City for SC 3000
    [12:25] [Darekill] Never played SC3000
    [12:25] [Zayxus] what was the result?
    [12:26] [MasterZen] it looks really nice
    [12:27] [Darekill] Do we have something essential to discuss?
    [12:27] [Darekill] I've got to go allready...
    [12:27] [MasterZen] one little thing
    [12:27] [Darekill] O.K.
    [12:27] [MasterZen] I think GoW will be a little short on Artillery for the strike against Lego, any chance ND could "loan" us some pieces?
    [12:28] [Darekill] I just upgraded six
    [12:28] [MasterZen] I just upgraded 16
    [12:28] [MasterZen] but that's all we have :S
    [12:28] [Darekill] We have a grand total of six now
    [12:28] [MasterZen] haha
    [12:29] [Darekill] but we could give them to you.
    [12:29] [MasterZen] ok
    [12:29] [MasterZen] right now Infantries are our priority
    [12:30] [Darekill] We would need them back if we were to invade GS.
    [12:30] [MasterZen] you'd need a bit more than 6
    [12:30] [Darekill] When would you need them?
    [12:30] [MasterZen] in about 18 turns
    [12:30] [Darekill] of course but we can produce some till then.
    [12:31] [Darekill] O.K.
    [12:31] [Darekill] Then we would have some time left to prepare and I think we could give you even more then six.
    [12:32] [Darekill] But like I said we'd need all of them back when we invade. Is that possible?
    [12:32] [MasterZen] yes
    [12:32] [MasterZen] btw, we're looking about Mobilizing
    [12:32] [MasterZen] perhaps in about 5 turns
    [12:33] [Darekill] Interesting thought. We should maybe too...
    [12:33] [MasterZen] I just want to finish some non-military stuff first
    [12:33] [Darekill] As soon as we have build up which will be soon.
    [12:33] [MasterZen] right now we have 9 cities doing military builds
    [12:34] [Darekill] How is your F11 Data shall we compare?
    [12:34] [MasterZen] actually more, it's like 11
    [12:34] [MasterZen] ok
    [12:34] [MasterZen] let me load again...
    [12:34] [Darekill] we are in positon 4 in almost every aspect.
    [12:34] [MasterZen] off my head..
    [12:35] [MasterZen] we are 1st in Manufacturing, 4th in GNP, 2nd in land area (don't know why)
    [12:35] [Darekill] 2nd in Land area????
    [12:35] [MasterZen] yes hehee
    [12:35] [MasterZen] like I said, I have no idea why
    [12:35] [Darekill] Can'T be that is us.
    [12:35] [MasterZen] really?
    [12:35] [MasterZen] haha
    [12:36] [Darekill] no we are three now...
    [12:36] [Darekill] strange...
    [12:36] [Darekill] we are nr. 2 in GNP
    [12:37] [Darekill] infG. we are 4
    [12:37] [Darekill] Mfg.
    [12:37] [Darekill] Approval 89% Nr.2
    [12:37] [MasterZen] how about we take a pic of F11 and e-mail it to each other?
    [12:38] [Darekill] Yes let's do that
    [12:38] [MasterZen] also, since you are 2nd in GNP, have you tried estimating GS's GNP?
    [12:38] [MasterZen] I estimated Lego's manufacturing a few turns ago, it was about 730 megatons
    [12:39] [Darekill] No What do I have to do to find out...
    [12:39] [MasterZen] you start removing workforce from your cities so you make your GNP drop
    [12:40] [MasterZen] when you drop from 2nd place to 3rd place you know what GS's GNP is
    [12:40] [Darekill] I'll try.
    [12:41] [MasterZen] ok
    [12:42] [MasterZen] I just sent you two a pic
    [12:43] [Darekill] They are close behind us.
    [12:44] [MasterZen] what's your GNP?
    [12:44] [Darekill] we have 1117 they have 1098
    [12:44] [MasterZen] we're at 1051
    [12:44] [MasterZen] we're all pretty close
    [12:45] [Darekill] I've send a pic too...
    [12:46] [MasterZen] ok
    [12:46] [MasterZen] your GNP is impressive, I assume you've built a lot of banks and stock exchanges?
    [12:47] [Darekill] Yes we did!
    [12:48] [Darekill] We are building the Wall street too.
    [12:48] [MasterZen] you know also what we should do?
    [12:48] [MasterZen] we should compare our respective science power
    [12:48] [Darekill] lets get it done.
    [12:49] [MasterZen] so next time we do joint research, the empire with better science power is the one that does the researching
    [12:49] [MasterZen] ok, just put your slider to 100% and check F1
    [12:49] [MasterZen] ok, at 100%, our science is 869
    [12:49] [Darekill] Just have to load again....
    [12:51] [Darekill] our science is...
    [12:51] [Darekill] 588
    [12:51] [Darekill] We have almost no Librarys or Unis.
    [12:51] [MasterZen] ah no wonder
    [12:51] [Darekill] We pay you and you research
    [12:51] [MasterZen] then it is better for GoW to research and ND to send gold
    [12:51] [Zayxus] correct
    [12:51] [Darekill] right.
    [12:52] [MasterZen] good, I just wanted to check that since your GNP was bigger
    [12:52] [Darekill] We wont bulild many Libs.
    [12:52] [Darekill] We emphazise money and Tanks...
    [12:53] [MasterZen] I wish I had time to build some banks and stocks in Irongard and Killdaria
    [12:53] [MasterZen] but I don't :S
    [12:53] [Darekill] How long till you got Tanks?
    [12:54] [Darekill] And where'S the draft?
    [12:54] [MasterZen] draft? or mobilization?
    [12:55] [Darekill] the draft for our alliance
    [12:55] [MasterZen] ahhhh
    [12:55] [MasterZen] pardon me, I was feeling like crap since last week
    [12:55] [MasterZen] today is the first day I feel GOOD
    [12:56] [Darekill] no problem but we must sign it anyday before we go to war...
    [12:56] [MasterZen] yep
    [12:57] * MasterZen is searching for the log right now...
    [12:57] [Darekill] at least one day before the victory...
    [12:59] [MasterZen] one hour before...
    [13:00] [Darekill] *g*
    [13:01] [MasterZen] btw, I leave for switzerland on september 5th
    [13:03] [MasterZen] ok, found the log
    [13:03] [Darekill] my birthday is the 25. september
    [13:04] [MasterZen] cool, invite me for your party and I'll bring the tequila
    [13:04] [Darekill] Can do that.
    [13:04] [Darekill] Though it wont bea big party, I never have a party...
    [13:08] [MasterZen] I usually never celebrate my birthday unless it's on a thursday-saturday
    [13:08] [MasterZen] so i celebrate in the nightclub
    [13:08] [MasterZen] if my birthday is earlier, I just wait
    [13:08] [Darekill] I'm not a party lion
    [13:09] [MasterZen] it's hard NOT to be one in Mexico
    [13:09] [MasterZen] especially here in Puebla, there's not really much to do besides partying
    [13:09] [Darekill] But I'm a family man. And this is why I have to leave, but you can visit me anyway and you'll get a drink if you do. Even three or four or five...
    [13:09] [MasterZen] ... or six or seven or eight...
    [13:10] [MasterZen] hehe
    [13:10] [Darekill] yep!
    [13:10] [Darekill] So I'll leve now.
    [13:10] [MasterZen] no problem, I'll work on the draft and send it to you guys today (SERIOUSLY!)
    [13:10] [Darekill] Till then.
    [13:10] [Darekill] c.u.
    [13:10] [MasterZen] adios
    [13:10] * Darekill has left #gow_cofa
    [13:11] [Zayxus] Bye!
    [13:12] [MasterZen] ciao!
    A true ally stabs you in the front.

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