I've recently taking up playing OCC games again after finally getting my CivII CD working. I'm going through the old comparison games and I'm currently playing the # 7 game, the one with the polar start. I'm doing fairly well I think, but here's my real point:
For the last 30 odd turns, I've obtained gifts of gold every turn from my two allies, typically 150-200 gold from the Romans and 50-75 gold from the Spanish. I'm at war with the other 4 civs, although I seldom have any contact with them. But it seems to have sustained my two alliances, so no need to change that.
Now, it's 1878 and I'm bringing a bribed Engineers unit back to Beijing onboard a Transport, and I encounter a Viking Caravel. Just to play it safe - and since I have a treasury of >6,000 gold from all the gifts - I pay the Vikings 350 gold for a cease fire. And guess what: The same turn when I go to the Spanish to get my annual gift of 50 gold, they demand I declare war on the Vikings (well, duh!), I refuse, ask for a gift, and they give me 150 gold! Next turn, the same: Demand I declare war on the Vikings, and when I refuse, they triple their usual gift!!
I know there's more to obtaining gifts and tribute than meets the eye, but this I've never seen before. Has anyone else?
Additional info: Beijing is size 16, I'm leading in technology, currently researching Miniaturization, I have but one military unit, a Musketeer stationed in Beijing - so no military presence on rival civs' continents, and I must be last on the powergraph, but obviously haven't checked since I'm still playing.
Any thoughts on why refusing to follow an ally's request will suddenly lead to the ally tripling their annual gift? It can't be coincidence because for the past 30 turns or so, the Spanish never went past 100 gold, and most of the time stayed on 50 or 75.
For the last 30 odd turns, I've obtained gifts of gold every turn from my two allies, typically 150-200 gold from the Romans and 50-75 gold from the Spanish. I'm at war with the other 4 civs, although I seldom have any contact with them. But it seems to have sustained my two alliances, so no need to change that.
Now, it's 1878 and I'm bringing a bribed Engineers unit back to Beijing onboard a Transport, and I encounter a Viking Caravel. Just to play it safe - and since I have a treasury of >6,000 gold from all the gifts - I pay the Vikings 350 gold for a cease fire. And guess what: The same turn when I go to the Spanish to get my annual gift of 50 gold, they demand I declare war on the Vikings (well, duh!), I refuse, ask for a gift, and they give me 150 gold! Next turn, the same: Demand I declare war on the Vikings, and when I refuse, they triple their usual gift!!
I know there's more to obtaining gifts and tribute than meets the eye, but this I've never seen before. Has anyone else?
Additional info: Beijing is size 16, I'm leading in technology, currently researching Miniaturization, I have but one military unit, a Musketeer stationed in Beijing - so no military presence on rival civs' continents, and I must be last on the powergraph, but obviously haven't checked since I'm still playing.
Any thoughts on why refusing to follow an ally's request will suddenly lead to the ally tripling their annual gift? It can't be coincidence because for the past 30 turns or so, the Spanish never went past 100 gold, and most of the time stayed on 50 or 75.
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