Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

Single Player Vs. Multiplayer Tactics

Collapse
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Single Player Vs. Multiplayer Tactics

    Spod here.

    What are the major differences in tactics between single player and multiplayer? For example, when I play alone, my cities are relatively lightly defended, usually two defensive units fortified plus one offensive unit on sentry. I imagine this would be suicidal in multiplayer.

    Also I imagine the diplomacy is a lot different. Are humans any more trustworthy than the computer?


    ------------------
    SpoD ThE FlOAtiNG HeAd
    SpoD ThE FlOAtiNG HeAd

  • #2
    Bloody good questions! Been a while since they were addressed in a single topic.

    IMHO, the major difference between SP and MP, given a reasonable standard of human play, is that your oppo is about 130 times (minimum) more difficult. Humans won't, for example, continue to hurl under-strength units at your city's defenders on mindless suicide missions.

    For many, many other reasons (a lot of which will no doubt appear in this topic), but mainly connected to the stupidity of the AI, I reckon SP and MP are totally different games. In fact, IMHO, MP is where this game really takes off into the realms (I hope) its creator envisaged.

    As for trustworthiness, it depends with whom you play. I suspect, on balance, human trustworthiness outstrips the AI's. I'd like to think so anyway.

    The only way to find out is to play!

    ------------------
    finbar
    Mono Rules!
    #33984591

    " ... and the following morning I should see the Boks wallop the Wallabies again?" - Havak
    "The only thing worse than being quoted in someone's sig is not being quoted in someone's sig." - finbar, with apologies to Oscar Wilde.

    Comment


    • #3
      finbar brings up some good points.. especially the part about the ai hurling themselves at your defenses.

      Humans have tactics not always good ones but they are more inclined to use them. Plus humans are huge caravan and dip users and unlike taking an AI city.... if you take a human one expect huge attacks on your newfound city the same or very next turn...

      Alot of humans are poorly defended especially in the beginnig and you maybe able to walk in and take a few cities quite easily.

      Humans tend to ally themselves with the first person they meet.... makes it easier to leap frog ahead in science.

      rule of thumb.... if someone won't ally with you... it probably means they have met someone else.... in which case if your unit is superior just attack them. MP is about team work so find a partner and dosy do because if you don't someone else will.

      ------------------
      War is the answer when you need to strike first.

      War is the answer when you think you should strike first

      war is the answer when you think others may strike first.

      Boston Red Sox are 2004 World Series Champions!

      Comment


      • #4
        The AI is predictable, you know when they'll attack, how they'll attack, and everything... MP... you never know!

        Being an ally actually means something! paying a civ to attack someone actually means something!

        ...and a whole load more!
        Eddy
        Knowledge is power and power is POWER!!

        Comment


        • #5
          A few differences in war that stand out:
          1.The use of stacked units to prevent bribing.The only time the ai uses this is by accident.

          2.Taking advantage of terrain.The ai doesn't seem to recognize the difference between mountains and flatlands.

          3.Pre worked settlers.

          4.Building on good defensive terrain-hills,mountains,forrests.The ai is always on flatland


          5.Using diplomats to turn attackers into defenders.I've only seen the ai use this tactic in a limited way.

          just a few
          The only thing that matters to me in a MP game is getting a good ally.Nothing else is as important.......Xin Yu

          Comment


          • #6
            Hey Smash,
            We'll buy 1, 3, 4 & 5 but 2 - not so sure! In our HO the AI (albeit A Idiot) does know the different values of terrain - how many times have you seen a catty on a mountain - or are they all out to get us!!!!
            ____________
            Scouse Gits[1 & 2] - rather pissed on a Friday night
            "Our words are backed by empty wine bottles! - SG(2)
            "One of our Scouse Gits is missing." - -Jrabbit

            Comment


            • #7
              Sorry - saturday morning!!!!
              "Our words are backed by empty wine bottles! - SG(2)
              "One of our Scouse Gits is missing." - -Jrabbit

              Comment


              • #8
                Hey thanks guys. Anyone ever actually finished an MP game?


                ------------------
                SpoD ThE FlOAtiNG HeAd
                SpoD ThE FlOAtiNG HeAd

                Comment


                • #9
                  AI's don't build cities on hills, mountains, and the like, and then fill the city with vet pikemen. Nor do they terraform terrain under a city for better defence.
                  The camel is not a part of civ.
                  THE CAMEL IS CIV !!!!
                  SAVE THE CAMEL !!!!!!

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    Spod - in my case, no. A couple of concessions to avoid wasting valuable lifetime, but no actual conclusions. For the most part, games sort of disappear off into the unavailabilility ether. Or other people become available, and the game's too far down the track to make a hotjoin a reasonable proposition.

                    Regardless, there's a hell of a lot of fun to be had along the way.

                    ------------------
                    finbar
                    Mono Rules!
                    #33984591

                    " ... and the following morning I should see the Boks wallop the Wallabies again?" - Havak
                    "The only thing worse than being quoted in someone's sig is not being quoted in someone's sig." - finbar, with apologies to Oscar Wilde.

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      Yeah, I have to agree with most of you. The biggest differences are:

                      Allies that mean something... Two allied human civs that understand the concept can just kick butt.

                      Real warfare. Human players that have any experience what so ever can fight far better than the stupid AI. Humans attack in bunchs and waves... the AI attacks one unit at a time, unless their just happens to be two units in range on the same turn.

                      Many human players focus on building the Happiness wonders in Deity games. The AI doesn't really seem to care to build the happiness wonders.

                      It's easy to wipe out an AI civ. Any human player is smarter than the AI in defense.
                      Keep on Civin'
                      RIP rah, Tony Bogey & Baron O

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        I think MP games are easier because you can form a lasting Alliance (for the right combo of people) unlike an AI that will turn on you eventually. The AI plays to gang up on you because it knows you are the only oponent in the end. In MP there are many combinations that make it interesting, but also easier. As an average or worse player myself, I last longer in a MP than a SP....

                        Important in a MP game is a GOOD alliance, not always best to ally with first person as you may not be able to trust them long term.

                        As I always play Raging hordes, defenders is always first priority , but then expansion rapidly is target....

                        ------------------
                        Rasputin The Mad Monk, Lover of the Russian Queen


                        Comment


                        • #13
                          The AI may not stack to avoid bribery but it will stack spies or diplos to avoid them being expelled... I've never played MP but it would be a relief to see something different - every game I play ends up with me having a tech lead against a vast global alliance of fundamentalists whose only object is to steal Space Flight.

                          Comment


                          • #14
                            Spod here.

                            Is pillaging a good tactic in multiplayer?


                            ------------------
                            SpoD ThE FlOAtiNG HeAd
                            SpoD ThE FlOAtiNG HeAd

                            Comment


                            • #15
                              If you don't mind wasting a perfectly good unit which will probably be blown to pieces at the first available opportunity.

                              ------------------
                              finbar
                              Mono Rules!
                              #33984591

                              " ... and the following morning I should see the Boks wallop the Wallabies again?" - Havak
                              "The only thing worse than being quoted in someone's sig is not being quoted in someone's sig." - finbar, with apologies to Oscar Wilde.

                              Comment

                              Working...
                              X