14 river 4 special start! / 1001 a space odyssey returns

[SilverDragon]

I just got a totally unbelievable start!!! 14 rivers, including 2 rivered silks and 2 rivered buffalo! Did I mention that I got to the site and founded in 4000 BC, popping an archer hut on the way? This has got to be a record for the best start of all time! I will email the 4000 save to a person with a download capable website, so everyone can try this. I am amazed that I got this start as the purple civ, though. That seems kinda odd... usually it gives an ai the good start, and usually it gives the good start to one of the first civs. I suppose it was making up to me for the 5 polar starts with no way off and 2 starting techs in a row.

I want to bring back 1001, a space odyssey. It was from a long time ago, and nobody managed it, but now that solo has joined us, and we have this start, its well within the realm of possibility. Anything goes except loading the autosave, or building airbases in your city radius. Also you may not look at the map, or rehome freights to the SSC.


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- SilverDragon, scourge of the western skies

Email me at
SilverDragon141@aol.com

[solo]

GO for it Silver Dragon. I want to see a pre 1000 ad landing from someone without rehoming, and this looks like a great opportunity! You can bet, I'll try this start after you, too.

[Scouse Gits]

Sounds just wonderful - if you e-mail it to me (preferably at work - if you have that address) I shall put it up on the web.

Good civin' all

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Scouse Git[1] -- git1@scousers.net

"Staring at your screen in horror and disbelief when you open a saved game is one of the fun things of a succession game " - Hueij
"The Great Library must be built!"
"A short cut has to be challenging,
were it not so it would be 'the way'." - Paul Craven

[SilverDragon]

SG have you put it up yet?? I mailed it a day ago.

[Scouse Gits]

Here is SilverDragon's 4000BC save file both zipped and unzipped. Enjoy ...

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Scouse Git[1] -- git1@scousers.net

"Staring at your screen in horror and disbelief when you open a saved game is one of the fun things of a succession game " - Hueij
"The Great Library has been built!"
"A short cut has to be challenging,
were it not so it would be 'the way'." - Paul Craven

[Ecthy]

just downloaded it... what a fun start!!

[Thoth]

quote: Originally posted by Scouse Gits on 04-30-2001 05:27 AM Here is SilverDragon's 4000BC save file both zipped and unzipped. Enjoy ...

Just dl'd it. Thanks.

[SilverDragon]

I lost the file so now I am going to have to download it. I am not very organized. I will just parrot what I did before. I had founded my first city, but not done anything more, so it shouldn't be too hard.

[Edward]

quote: Originally posted by SilverDragon on 04-25-2001 10:02 PM I am amazed that I got this start as the purple civ, though. That seems kinda odd... usually it gives an ai the good start, and usually it gives the good start to one of the first civs.

I no longer believe that the purple civ gets the worst site (and the white civ the best). I've seen too many good purple starts. (You should see the big river the Sioux started on in my current game. Not sure it's 12 but it's big with more rivers nearby.)

Either
1) all 7 starts (or however many the computer can find) are made at the same time or
2) the computer has absolutely no idea what a good city site looks like

I'm leaning towards #2.

[Roman]

Could you e-mail it to me too?

lajciak@hotmail.com

[Scouse Gits]

Roman - just click on the word 'zipped' or 'unzipped' in my post above and it will download automatically ...

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Scouse Git[1] -- git1@scousers.net

"Staring at your screen in horror and disbelief when you open a saved game is one of the fun things of a succession game " - Hueij
"The Great Library has been built!"
"A short cut has to be challenging,
were it not so it would be 'the way'." - Paul Craven

[SilverDragon]

This game is reminiscent of the start I had on my first diety victory... I remember it well. I had an unbelievable number of rivers, founded an 11 river 4 special SSC, and it was all easy from then on. My Viking ship landed without much competition in 1917. I hope this game will go the same way. BTW I don't always get starts like this. I just only brag about the good ones.

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- SilverDragon, scourge of the western skies

Email me at
SilverDragon141@aol.com

[solo]

Silver Dragon,

I had a chance to try your start. The number of rivers was an awesome plus, but I could not get a good enough game going out of the start for a chance at an early landing. Some difficulties presented by this start were:

1) No starting techs. This delays Monarchy enough to kill any chance at a very quick start. I think at least 2 pre-requisites of Monarchy are needed to have a realistic chance at a very early landing.

2) The two buffalo at the SSC you suggested don't do as much to boost trade as other specials such as silk, spice, wine or gold. I don't think the rivers are enough compensation, but I could be wrong. For a SSC, I liked location 55,42 even better, which had 2 silk, a gold and a buffalo, and a good number of rivers of its own.

3) The starting position of the Spaniards is just too close to where you want your cluster of cities. There is bound to be extra conflict and/or interference because of this.

4) Having just one continent limits the effectiveness of trade, because payoffs are so much better when you can trade with partners at even a short distance overseas.

Maybe someone will prove my assessment is wrong, which would be a great chance to learn something new! I hope others try your start, as I would like to get further opinions about it, since your starting location, at first sight, seemed too good to be true.

[Gastrifitis]

quote: Originally posted by solo on 05-15-2001 08:03 PM Silver Dragon, 3) The starting position of the Spaniards is just too close to where you want your cluster of cities. There is bound to be extra conflict and/or interference because of this.

Are you talking about the 14 river start he posted? Good Lord, man, you already have an Archer! Just go over there and occupy the Spanish city! There's no way they can build a defender quick enough. And the yellow AI civ will appear somewhere else, so no worries about destroying too many opponents. You can pick up an extra tech that way, too, so Monarchy comes a little faster.

[solo]

Yes, the 14 river start. I did destroy the Spanish capital with my archer, and did not receive a free tech for this. Soon afterwards, I discovered the first city of the next interfering yellow civ right next my original starting position. Why not play a game from this start and prove me wrong?