Bird's OCC Comparison game

[Ribannah]

Since it's archived, a new thread for my log. The game is still available from Paul's site .


OCC - Bird's comparison game
Deity
MGE

Phew! The tech tree was all messed up, maybe because of the Warrior Code we started out with. We never had the chance to research Monarchy and all the other OCC goals showed up late on the list as well. Of course we insisted on cutting one of those mountains down to size, too !
A big bother was Susa that overlapped our terrain, so after the spaceship was safely on its way we made sure the city was wiped from the Earth. On the bright side, the Greek were very loyal allies all the way to the end.


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AC: 1843

Monarchy: -625
Republic: -425
Democracy: 700

Colossus: -1200
Gardens: -275
Copernicus: 400
Shakespeare: 780
Newton: 1000
Darwin: 1590
Apollo: 1776

Trade routes: 160, 220, 300

Size 12: 220
Size 19: 500
Size 32: 1640

Trade: -150
Construction: 100
Sanitation: 560
Refrigeration: 1340

Automobile: 1590
Computers: 1710
Space Flight: 1774
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-3250 [Warrior Code]
ROME founded
Archers (supp )(h)
-3100 Alphabet(h)
-2900 Persians, Peace(P), Alphabet<->Bronze Working(P)
-2850 Barb Horsemen
-2700 S2
-2650 Barb Leader (100)
-2500 Writing
Sioux, Peace(S), Writing<->Cermonial Burial(S)
-2450 Library
-2400 Barb Horsemen
-2350 Barb Horsemen
-2300 Barb Archers
-2200 Horseback Riding(h)
-2000 Vikings, Peace(V), Writing<->Map Making(V)
-1950 Writing<->Code of Laws(P)
-1900 Barb Archers/Leader (threatened our Settlers)
Map Making<->The Wheel(S)
-1700 S3
-1600 50(h)
-1500 The Wheel<->Currency(V), Code of Laws->V,
Horseback Riding->V, 50<-V
-1450 Greeks, Peace(G), The Wheel->G, Horseback Riding->G,
Code of Laws->G, Maps(G), Ally(G), 150<-G
* Hey! Do I know this map? *
-1350 Iron Working(h)
-1250 Iron Working<->Pottery(P), The Wheel->P, Currency->P, 50<-P
Iron Working->S, Pottery->S, Currency->S, 100<-S
-1200 COLOSSUS
-1100 Marketplace
-975 Literacy
-925 Diplomat
-875 Iron Working->G, 25<-G
-750 Literacy<->Mysticism(V), Iron Working->V,
Pottery->V, 100<-V
-650 Mysticism<->Monarchy(P), Literacy->P, no tribute
Mysticism->S, Literacy->S, Monarchy->S, 100<-S
Revolution
-625 MONARCHY, Masonry(h)
Persians have overlapping city
-600 We Love
-550 6 (all) techs to Greeks, Maps(G), 50<-G
2 (all) techs to Vikings, 100<-V
-500 The Republic,
The Republic->G, 100<-G
The Republic<->Philosophy(S), Masonry<->Feudalism(S)
-450 Revolution
-425 REPUBLIC, di Archers
-400 We Love
-375 S4
-350 S5
-325 S6
-300 S7
P sneak Warriors
-275 HANGING GARDENS, S8, Br P Archers (87)
-250 We Love ends
-225 Pikemen, Barb Legions
-150 Trade
3 (all) techs to Greeks, 25<-G
3 (all) techs to Vikings
Trade->S
200<- for Peace(P) , 3 techs->P, War(S) makes Ally(P), Maps(P)
* Still missing 2 civs *
-125 Silver
Barb Chariot
-75 Gold, Barb Legion/Leader
-25 Hides
20 Hides
60 Hides
80 2 S Legions
100 Construction, S Chariot
120 Aquaduct
140 S9, 150->S for Cease Fire
160 Hides, We Love , Silver to Little Bighorn (d,300)
180 S10
200 Hides, Mathematics, S11
Construction<->Banking(P), 2 (all) techs to Persians, 50<-P
3 (all) techs to Greeks, Maps(G), 50<-G :
3 (all) techs to Vikings
1 tech to Sioux
220 S12, Gold to Little Bighorn (190)
240 Bank, We Love ends , di Archers
260 Hides, di Pikemen
2 (all) techs to Sioux, Maps(S)
Sioux break Cease Fire, kill Diplomat
280 S Chariot
300 Astronomy, 2 Hides to Little Bighorn (2x212),
340 University, Hides to Wounded Knee (172)
380 S Chariot, Hides to Wounded Knee (172)
400 COPERNICUS' OBSERVATORY, Medicine, S Catapult
3 techs to Greeks, <-50(G)
Sioux kill N-Chariot
420 Hides to Wounded Knee (176)
440 University, Bridge Building
480 Hides
500 Engineering
2 techs->S, Cease Fire(S)
520 Hides, University->P
560 Hides, Sanitation
600 Sewer System
3 (all) techs to Greeks, 50<-G
620 Invention, Hides to Little Bighorn (110 :confused
640 Hides, S13
680 Hides, Democracy, Revolution
Egyptians, 9 techs->E, Peace(E), Maps(E), no Ally
700 DEMOCRACY, Hides to Little Bighorn (116)
Vikings demand 600 -> War(V)
Invention<->Seafaring(G), Democracy->G, 50<-G
720 Barb Knights
760 Economics
780 SHAKESPEARE'S THEATRE, We Love
800 S14, 4 techs to Persians, Alliance dissolved over gift
10 techs to Egyptians, Maps(E), no Ally
Barb horde (10+)
820 Stock Exchange, Chemistry, S15
840 S16, Persians demand 350 -> War(P)
P Pikemen (almost destroy vet river-fortified Archers),
Barb Chariot
860 Gems, S17, Chemistry->G, Economics->G, 50<-G
880 Gunpowder, S18, sold Temple, Barb Chariot, P Chariot
900 Food, We Love ends , P Chariot
(GREAT LIBRARY - Vikings)
920 P Catapult
940 Food, Theory of Gravity
980 Food, Explosives
1000 ISAAC NEWTON'S COLLEGE
5 techs to Sioux, traded for Chivalry, Peace(S), Maps(S), no Ally
1040 Engineers, Metallurgy, S17
1080 Engineers, Navigation, S16
(PYRAMIDS - Babylonians)
1100 3 techs to Greeks, 100<-G
1120 Gems, Physics
1160 Wool, Magnetism, We Love , P Chariot
* no option to research towards Refrigeration *
1180 S17, P Legion, * beaker req suddenly up 20% *
4 techs to Greeks, 50<-G
9 (all) techs to Egyptians, Maps(E), no Ally
1200 Food, S18
1220 Steam Engine, We Love ends , * beaker req back on 900 *
1240 Food, 2 P Chariots
1260 Electricity * no Refrigeration on list *
P Catapult, P Legion
(LEONARDO'S WORKSHOP - Babylonians)
1280 Engineers, S17, P Diplomat, P Legion
Persians kill N-Chariot
1300 Conscription, P Chariot
1320 Riflemen , P Chariot
1340 Refrigeration (finally!)
(KING RICHARD'S CRUSADE - Egyptians)
1360 Engineers, S16, Peace (V), 4 techs to V, Maps(V), no Ally
* Hey! There is Babylon! *, P Chariot
1380 Railroad (1 turn too soon :mad
* no research towards Automobile *
Hills into Plains, P Catapult
1400 Supermarket, 4 techs to Greeks, 100<-G
(SUN TZU'S WAR ACADEMY - Vikings)
1420 Leadership
Babylonians, demand 200 -> War(B)
1440 Oil, P Chariot
* Beaker req suddenly up 30% *
Gems to Little Bighorn (97), Wool to Wounded Knee (81)
* Beaker req down again - has it to do with income standings? *
1460 Industrialization
1480 Food
1500 The Corporation
5 (all) techs to Greeks, 50<-G
Peace(V) (senate overrules!)
1510 Food
1520 Refining
1530 Factory
* Beaker req up 30% *
6 (all) techs to Vikings, Maps, no Ally
9 (all) techs to Egyptians, Maps, no Ally (at war with Vikings)
22!! (all) techs to Persians, Maps, Ally(P) for War(V), * no Gift! *
* Beaker req down 40% *
1540 Electronics
1550 Hydroplant, Barb Musketeers
1560 Steel
1570 Desert into Plains
1580 Combustion
* no Automobile *
1590 DARWIN'S VOYAGE -> Tactics, Automobile , We Love ,
Barb Musketeers
1600 S17
Tactics->G, 100<-G
1610 Mass Production, S18
* nothing leading to Computers *
* next tech requires 1298, we make 1296 *
(STATUE OF LIBERTY - Sioux)
1620 Superhighways , We Love ends
1630 Atomic Theory
1640 (ADAM SMITH'S TRADING CO. - Sioux)
1650 Mass Transit, Machine Tools
* again nothing leading to Computers *
Automobile->G, 50<-G
Tactics->P, 25<-P
1660 Wine
1670 Food, Mobile Warfare
1680 Food
1690 Food, Miniaturization
(MAGELLAN'S EXPEDITION - Sioux)
1700 Food
1710 Computers
1720 Research Lab, War(Sioux), Mountains into Hills (finally!!)
1730 Food, Robotics, We Love , Wine to Wounded Knee (250)
1740 Food, S19
1750 Food, Flight, S20
* no Radio *
1752 Wine, S21, Alliance(P) dissolved over Mobile Warfare
1754 Food, Nuclear Fission, S22
1758 Manufacturing Plant, Radio, S23
1760 S24
1762 Advanced Flight, S25
1764 We Love ends
(WOMEN'S SUFFRAGE - Sioux)
(EIFFEL TOWER - Sioux)
1766 Rocketry
* no Space Flight *
1768 Grassland/r into Hills/r
1770 Nuclear Power
1774 Space Flight, Hills/r mined
1776 APOLLO PROGRAM, di Archers
1778 SSS, Plastics, Hills mined -> 80+ shields, di Engineers
1780 SSC
1782 SSS, The Laser, Wine to Kaupang (152)
* no Superconductor on research list *
1784 SSS, Alliance(P) dissolved over Advanced Flight
1786 SSS, Communism
1788 SSS, S Cavalry
1790 Armor, Superconductor, Plains into Grassland(s)
Sneak P Cavalry
1792 Armor, Famine -> Engineers lost
1794 SSS, Fusion Power
1796 SSS, S Cavalry
1798 SSS
1800 SSS, S Cannon, Peace(B)
1802 SSM, S Cannon, S Cavalry
1804 SSM
1806 SSM, S Marines, S Cavalry
1808 SSC, S Cannon
1810 SSC, Plains into Grassland(s), Peace(S)
1812 SSC
1814 SSC, 2 P Cavalry
1816 SSC, Espionage
1818 SSS, P Cannon
1820 SSS, Recycling
1822 SSS
1824 SSS, Environmentalism
1826 SSS
1828 SSS, Combined Arms, LAUNCH, di N-Horsemen, sold Hydroplant
Babylonians steal Fusion Power
1829 Solar Plant
1830 Stealth, traded for Amphibious Warfare, Polytheism,
Genetic Engineering (S), gave them Space Flight
to make it interesting
1831 Airport, Peace(P)
1832 Stealth Fighter, V Cavalry -> War(P), 2 P Engineers -> War(S),
P Cavalry
* Sioux build 1 SSS *
1833 Stealth Fighter, Guerilla Warfare, P Alpine Troops, P Destroyer
* overlapping Susa is now undefended but S2 *
* Sioux build 2 SSS *
1834 Stealth Fighter, S Alpine Troops, P Alpine Troops
* Sioux build 2 SSS *
1835 SAM Missile Battery, S Armor, S Alpine Troops
1836 City Walls, Labor Union, S Alpine Troops, S Marines
P Engineers, P Alpine Troops, Susa destroyed ,
B Sneak kill our last Freight, Greeks War(B)
1837 B Catapult, B Chariot, S Alpine Troops -> Three Forks destroyed
Plains/r into Grassland/r
* Babylonians build 1 SSS *
1838 Monotheism, 2 P Riflemen (Arbela now empty, but S6),
Cease Fire (V)
1839 P Riflemen
* Babylonians build 1 SSS *
1840 ORACLE, Fundamentalism, 2 S Marines, P Alpine Troops
* Vikings build 1 SSS *
1841 S Explorer
* Babylonians build 2 SSS *
* Vikings build 1 SSC (mini-spaceship? ) *
1842 Theology, P Alpine Troops
* Sioux build 1 SSM and 3 SSC *
1843 ALPHA CENTAURI

Score: 325 (42%)

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[tonic]

I did not have a good start, mistaking the Tax for Science in the TLS setting! The Egyptians were destroyed by Barbs very early in the game and then the Spanish by the Greeks. Five AI civs meant slower tech rates - the Tom de Mille Effect.

My caravan commodities were unattractive – Hides were produced most of the time. Only Ashur needed Gems and nobody really demanded Gold. I was not successful in bribing a Barb Frigate or even trireme, which would have expedited the route to Zululand.

Finally about 3 techs away from Computers, the Sioux developed Flight, slowing down my advances from that time on.

Good initiative, Ribannah.

Paul, it would be worthwhile to have a comparison table for this and the other non-fortnight comparison game on your site, if they don’t already exist.

2.42 Deity
AC: 1805

Monarchy: -925
Republic: -325
Democracy: 460

Colossus: -1650
Copernicus: -125
Shakespeare: 60
Newton: 460
(Leo’s Workshop: 780)
Darwin: 1060
Apollo: 1710

Trade routes: -475, -400, -375

Size 12: -75
Size 21: n/a 860 (Pop 19)

Trade: -625
Construction: -875
Sanitation: 160
Refrigeration: 920
Automobile: 1200
Computers: 1530
Space Flight: 1700


3250 BC Rome founded
3200 BC Hut=Masonry
3100 BC Hut=alphabet
3050 BC research Bronze Working Egyptians destroyed by Barbs
3000 BC Warrior
2950 BC Persians: exchange Bronze Working + tribute of Pottery
2900 BC research Ceremonial Burial Greeks: exchange Map Making + tribute 100 Persians: exchange Ceremonial Burial
2850 BC Sioux: Peace, give all techs, share maps
2600 BC Spanish: give all techs, Alliance, no gift
2550 BC Vikings: give all techs, peace Persians: 25 Spanish: sharemaps
2500 BC Spanish war with Greeks
2450 BC Spanish destroyed by Greeks Persians: alliance no gift
2300 BC Sioux: 50
2250 BC Greeks: 25
2000 BC Persians: 100 Sioux: Alliance by declaring war on Vikings
1900 BC Persians: 50
1700 BC Persians develop Iron Working Sioux develop Mysticism
1650 BC Colossus
1500 BC Hut=Horseman
1450 BC Code of Laws Sioux: exchange Mysticism
1400 BC Hut=50 Sioux: 25
1350 BC Granary BarbLeader=150
1300 BC Babylonians: exchange Writing, Masonry for Alliance + gift 100
1100 BC Hut=Legion Vikings: ceasefire
1050 BC Library
975 BC Temple
925 BC Monarchy rev Govt. Monarchy Persians: gift of Iron Working
900 BC Persians: 100 Greeks: gift of Horseback Riding Sioux: 25
875 BC Greeks: 150 Babylonians: 25 Vikings: exchange Construction and Currency, Peace
850 BC research Trade Diplo built
825 BC Sioux: 50
750 BC Colosseum Persians: 50 Greeks: 100
625 BC Trade Greeks: 2 techs for Alliance Sioux: 50
600 BC Gold caravan built
575 BC Hides caravan built Hut=Mathematics Persians: 50 Sioux: 50 Vikings: 75
550 BC Silk Caravan built
525 BC Hides caravan built
500 BC Hides caravan built Disband Warrior
475 BC Gold to Susa (not demanded)=42 Hides caravan built Vikings: 100
450 BC Babylonians: 50
400 BC Silk to Susa (demanded)=132, Babylonians: 25
375 BC Hides to Madrid (demanded)=116
350 BC Republic rev Babylonians: exchange Seafaring Sioux: 50
325 BC Govt. Republic Persians develop Polytheism Greeks: gift of Bridge Building
300 BC Greeks: 75
275 BC Persians: 25
250 BC Start WLTCD
225 BC Persians: 25 Greeks: 100
175 BC Hides to Cedar Creek (demanded)=204
150 BC Astronomy Hides to Pasargadae (demanded) =204
Persians: 25
125 BC Copernicus Vikings: Peace - give them all techs and sharemaps
100 BC Greeks: 50
75 BC Philosophy get Medicine Pop=12 Stop WLTCD Persians: 50
50 BC Babylonians: 25
25 BC Dye to Little Bighorn (demanded)=333

1 AD Wheel Babylonians: 25 Greeks: 50 Sioux: 25
60 Shakespeare's Theatre
80 Engineering Greeks: 50 Sioux: 25 Sell Colosseum
100 Sell Temple Babylonians: 25
140 Persians: 75
160 Sanitation Hides to Trondheim (demanded)=373
180 Sewer System Start WLTCD Greeks: 50
200 Banking (no option for University! ) Disband Horseman Persians: 50
220 Bank
240 Silver to Little Bighorn (not demanded)=222
260 University Persians: 100 Disband Chariot
280 built University Vikings: war
Greeks: 50 Babylonians: 25 Sioux develop Navigation
300 Stop WLTCD (hunger at pop=18)
320 Theory of Gravity
Hides to Wounded Knee (demanded)=396 Sioux: 75
340 Babylonians capture Barb Thebes! Sioux: 75
400 Persians develop Monotheism
460 Democracy rev Govt. Democracy
Isaac Newton's College
Hides to Wounded Knee (demanded)=200 Sioux: 50
480 Gold caravan built, Sharemaps with all 4 allies
500 Economics Sioux: exchange Navigation + get gift of 100
520 Stock Exchange Babylonians: 50
540 Chemistry
Sioux: 100
580 Gunpowder
Sioux: 100
620 Explosives
Sioux: 100 Persians: exchange Monotheism
640 Engineer built Babylonians: 100 Sioux: 150
660 Physics
Start WLTPD Hides to Pasargadae (demanded)=170
680 Hides to Pasargadae (demanded)=170 Greeks: 50
720 Magnetism Pop=18 Stop WLTPD
Coal to Little Bighorn (not demanded)=118
740 Vikings: Peace but refuse knowledge! Persians: 50 Babylonians: 100
760 Sioux: 150 g for war on Vikings
780 Leo's Workshop Metallurgy Gold to Little Bighorn (not demanded)=125 Greeks: 50
820 Start WLTPD
840 Electricity
Babylonians: 100 Sioux: 25
860 Pop=19 Stop WLTPD
880 Conscription
Babylonians exchange Feudalism + 200 Greeks: 100 Sioux: exchange Steam Engine + 25
920 Refrigeration
Persians: 150
940 Supermarket
960 Railroad
1000 Industrialization
Dye to Wounded Knee (demanded)=167 Persians: exchange Atomic Theory
Babylonians: 50 Greeks: 100
1020 Gold caravan built
1040 Chivalry
1060 Darwin's Voyage get Corporation Refining
1100 Steel
1140 Persians: 75 Greeks: 100 Sioux: 25 Babylonians: sharemaps (finding Ellipi for freight
1160 Combustion Start WLTPD
1180 Gems to Ashur (demanded)=468
1200 Automobile
1220 Persians: exchange Polytheism + 150
1240 Electronics Greeks: 100 Sioux: 25
Gold to Little Bighorn (not demanded)=294
1280 Mass Production
Persians: 150 Sioux: Sioux: exchange Communism + 25
1300 Engineer built
Babylonians: 75 Persians: 150 Sioux: 100
1320 Leadership
Gems freight built Max pop=25 End WLTPD Sell Sewer System
Sioux: 50
1360 Tactics
Sell Aqueduct Persians: 50 Sioux: 50
1380 Greeks: 50 Babylonians: 50
1400 Nuclear Fission
Sioux: 50
1440 Machine Tools
Zulu Destroyer destroys 2 Barb Crusaders threatening Rome from north
1460 Babylonians: 50 Greeks: 50 Sioux: 50
1480 Sioux develop Flight
Mobile Warfare Sioux: exchange Flight + 50
1500 Babylonians develop Theology Sioux: 50
1510 Miniaturization
1520 Hides to Little Bighorn (not demanded)=151
Babylonians: 150 Greeks: 50
1530 Computers
1540 Research Lab
1560 Nuclear Power
Persians: 50 Babylonians: 150
1590 Robotics
Gems to Ashur (demanded)=498 Greeks: 50
1600 Sioux: 25
1610 Sharemaps all allies
1620 Radio
1640 Advanced Flight
Hides to Ashur (not demanded)=166
1660 Laser
1670 Hides to Little Bighorn (not demanded)=151
1680 Rocketry
1690 Sioux exchange Espionage
1700 Space Flight
Spy built
1710 Apollo, Sioux war with Persians
1730 Guerilla Warfare
1752 Plastics
1758 Superconductor
1764 Labor Union
1772 Fusion Power
1778 Vikings destroyed by Persians
1782 Stealth
1790 Launch 15-3-3-1-1-1 SS
1791 Stealth Fighter built
1792 Barracks
1793 Armor built
1794 Armor built
1795 Armor built
1796 Hydro Plant sell Power Plant (Persians develop Space flight)
1797 SAM
1798 Mass Transit
1800 SDI
1801 Mech Infantry
Greeks: war
1805 Landed AC

[Ribannah]

quote: Originally posted by tonic on 09-13-2000 10:51 PM Paul, it would be worthwhile to have a comparison table for this and the other non-fortnight comparison game on your site, if they don’t already exist.

I agree, these are good scenarios.

Btw excellent landing date, Tonic
Makes me wish I had my 2.42 back, hehe



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