Don´t buy MGE!

[Steve Clark]

Then explain how some of us can build one city and reach AC using MGE in SP - all with diplomacy and not going out and fighting anyone? In my current OCC game (deity, 7 civs, raging hordes), I've managed 2 alliances, 4 map trades and several tributes - just enough to keep them pacified while I race up the tech tree. It is tough, no doubt, but with skills, you can win a diplomatic game with MGE, without having to always go bloodlust (which is more fun, imo, but that's not the point here). No, they did not screw it up, they just made it more of a challenge.

[Lazlo]

I agree with you it is more of a challenge, but there is some limit point where I want to stop!
I have been playing civilization for far too long and now I have lost interest in wining the game. I just want to play and let things happen. I do sometimes change civilization, as I have told before, but I do not strive to get a super high score and nothing like it.
It is just that with the current settings of things, I find it hard to do it.
You have to realizae that some things smell weird. I have tewaked the attitude level of a civilization from its current number to 0 (like). The next turn it was up to 100 (complete dislike)! This happens even with alliances. Everything you do to appease a potential enemy works for only one turn!
This is not documented anywhere!

Classical Civ2 has also some kind of strange behavior, but it was more predictable.
For example, if you were the most powerful civilization by the turn 201, all the other civs would turn against you and they will start to conspire.
It just happens that I don´t find any sense in the actual AI way of handling diplomacy!

[Ming]

Yeah Lazlo... Diplomacy with AI's sucked in CivII, and is even worse in MGE. But, as many have pointed out, it can still be done.

But, for that reason... YOU SHOULD BUY MGE.
Then you can play with humans instead of the stupid AI. Now, that's real diplomacy.

One can only hope that diplomacy will be better in CivIII. If they want to have the regular games settings in a similar fashion to make it tough at the harder levels... fine. But, they should allow more options so that real AI diplomacy can be set up in scenarios. There is nothing worse than playing a WWII scenario, and watching the Axis and Ally forces sign a permanent peace treaty in the first year of the game when you are playing the Russians

[Ming]

I hear you... But the diplomacy in CivII wasn't all that much better. But in comparison...

(And I never said it was a feature, but it sure as hell is bad programming)

[Lazlo]

That is exactly my point. MGE is for multiplayer only.
If you plan to buy it to play single player,
then you should not buy it. That example you showed us here about WWII is a bug, not a feature. If I have to choose, I will prefer old classic CIV2 diplomacy. This game is in need of a patch!

[Hodad]

Lazlo, where did you buy FW???
I've been looking for it all over!

[Lazlo]

I don´t have FW! I wish I had it.
I would trade the MGE for the FW!!

FW is going to be hard to find. Microprose
must think that with MGE they have covered
everything (which is false because, in my opinion, it is bugged).

[Sten Sture]

Maybe I'll fly down for River v Boca and bring you both a copy.


hmmm, I guess that would be at least three copies since Hodad has HsFB to look after as well...

[Lazlo]

It is not that easy.
When Microprose developed MGE, they exported
everything to DirextX because of efficiency(?).

I don´t think with just changing the exe file
you will get FW.

[MasterBob]

I , for one am glad for the AI change, it makes the game more challenging when everyone is hostile and not friendly like in the original. You don't win by alliances in single player, you kill everyone.

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[Hodad]

Yeah... and Boca won ... 3-nill... what bastards
Hey, is there a way to mail the .exe at least?