Anti-semitic crap in Off-Topic

[Ming]

I am deeply troubled reading through this thread, and all the related discussions on this subject.

I made a post at ACOL discussing this subject, and I see no reason to "reinvent the wheel", so here are excerpts from it. The reason why I'm not including my full response is that some of what I said isn't relevent to the discussion here:

"RC (Brian the Bug Master) has a disagreement with the moderation at Apolyton. He isn't the first, or will he be the last. I respect his opinion, even If I do think his analysis of the situation is
incorrect. Apolyton is not a breeding ground of hate. Does mild flaming occur... well yes, it's natural for that to happen when people discuss emotional issues. It even happen here...

Many people have been restricted for promoting hate, and many threads have been deleted. To suggest that Apolyton is a hate site and promotes hatred is a little extreme in my opinion.

If we were to delete or punish anybody that gets in a heated discussion, you would be the first to say that it's over moderation and that Apolyton is censoring free ideas. And don't say that you wouldn't, because you have in the past.

I think there is a very fine line that has to be walked when allowing the exchange of ideas.
I see a big difference between a religious right person saying that homosexuality is against his religion and believes that gays should repent and change their lifesyle, and that they are wrong in the eyes of god... vs, ALL GAYS SHOULD DIE OR BE LOCKED AWAY. The first is a opinion, and the second is just pure hate. When people expouse the elimination of some culture, race or religion, action is swift at Apolyton.
It will not be tolerated. On the other hand, disagreeing with a life style is no different than any other disagreement of opinions whether it is politics or discussing game strategy.

It's a very fine line that has to be walked if any type of discussion on emotional issues is to be allowed.

Now... is moderation perfect at Apolyton...
NO... how can anyone expect anything to be perfect. I don't read every word posted, that would be impossible.

Does mild flaming occur... yes it does.
We try the best we can to keep it to a minimum, and stop anything that gets out of hand.

At ACOL, you have a strong history and tradition of self moderation. At Apolyton, self moderation hasn't worked, so we have active moderation. The moderators and admin are trying their best to allow free discussion, but not allow hate.

While anybody is welcome to disagree or agree that we do a good job of it, believe me when I say our intent is stop hate threads and posts."

I don't really know what else I can say on this topic.

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Ming
CivII & Off-Topic Forum Moderator
Ming@Apolyton.net

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[Lefty Scaevola]

Time for another stereotype:
While not a perfect corelation, the people who get really upset tend to be the teenagers and young adults, who have more hormones than experience. When you let people that age into to a place, they are going to perune it with uncontrolled emotion.

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Gaius Mucius Scaevola Sinistra
Pontificator Pendanticus
older richer & wiser than you
Did I mention that I like spellcheckers?

[Lazarus & the Gimp]

The moderation's fine here. There is a strong element of self-moderation too- an abundance of opinionated old gits sees to that.

Moderating a forum like Apolyton is a thankless task. You'll never, in a million years, succeed in keeping everyone happy. In other words, you'll always get people moaning at you. The only realistic way to handle it is to go with your gut instincts about what's right and what isn't. I get the impression that you are doing this already and I have no problem with it.

[Lefty Scaevola]

I disagree with a "gut instinct" standard. That introduces too much bias into a system. Moderation should be a rational process, cold blooded except for the injection of large amounts of humor. Even empathising with the distress collaterally inflicted upon persons that have been moderated, has risks. Pleasing "the people" is right out. Most moderators would need to view their task as service and loyalty to set of pricinpals, rather than to the posters themsevle, Doing it the other way, with the poster parmount in your concern would exact a erosive emotional toll.

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Gaius Mucius Scaevola Sinistra
Pontificator Pendanticus
older richer & wiser than you
Did I mention that I like spellcheckers?
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[Ming]

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</font><font size=1>Originally posted by Lefty Scaevola on 02-03-2001 10:56 AM</font>
Time for another stereotype:
While not a perfect corelation, the people who get really upset tend to be the teenagers and young adults, who have more hormones than experience. When you let people that age into to a place, they are going to perune it with uncontrolled emotion.

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Bull****! And yes, it is a sterotype... and a bad one at that. All individuals are just that, individuals. I've seen some great stuff posted by our youngest members, and our oldest members. I've also seen some very uncontrolled emotional responses from our younger members, as well as our older members.

[Lefty Scaevola]

cool.

Well, "I am too old a bunny to get very excited over all this."

[Alexander's Horse]

Hey Laz, would you mind starting the thread you said you would start about this on ACOL? I'd like to follow the argument in stereo


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Chaos, panic and disorder - My work here is done.

[Lazarus & the Gimp]

You must be joking. ACOL is already turning into a slanging match over this. Unless someone starts taking a pop at me there I'm staying well away from it all. Let them sort it out between themselves.

[Alexander's Horse]

Oh great - now Resource Consumer is leaving ACOL and Apolyton.

Of course, I blame Lazarus the Wimp. I hope you're pleased with yourself.


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Chaos, panic and disorder - My work here is done.

[Iain Lindley]

Fu<x>ck off Horsey Boy, what's Laz done wrong?

[Imran Siddiqui]

He gets too easily offended and can't take a joke...

[Alexander's Horse]

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Fu<x>ck off Horsey Boy, what's Laz done wrong?
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It just goes to yet again prove my theory that the so-called "straight" posters do far more harm than we so-called trolls ever do




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Chaos, panic and disorder - My work here is done.

[Lazarus & the Gimp]

The use of "Anyway, I was joking" to excuse any piece of malignant crap is one that most people grow out of when hitting puberty, Imran.

If we give it any sort of acceptance, it means we can't ever say anything is unacceptable. Anyway, some things demand to be blown out of the water, whether the maker is joking or not.

...or have all of my responses so far been just a continuing joke? Meaning you're all a bunch of gullible buffoons? Good, isn't it?

[Alexander's Horse]

And the champ is back folks, and has come out swinging against the fly weight, Imran.


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Chaos, panic and disorder - My work here is done.

[SuperSneak]

Horse, shouldn't you be off stealing the pennies from the eyes of the dead?
Or is it kicking crutches out from under polio victims?

It's hard to keep your schedule straight these days.



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Bring it!

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