Destiny of Empires [Diplo Game] [Organization Thread]

[Ottoman Empire (DoE)]

Arent you out there next to the Mongolians and Chinese? If you think Mongolia is being bullied then why not help them instead of asking others to do it? Russia is already at war with 3 other countries... Are they supposed to fight China too? If you think China has too many resources, then take them!

If you havent noticed... Europe has her own problems... and you arent getting involved in those either, so you should have plenty of resources to help Mongolia... that is if you are really as concerned as you are pretending to be

You point out that China has many more resources than her "neighbors", which in the first place is very different from "neighbours" out here in Europe. How far is the Indian Capital from the Capital of Russia, China or Mongolia? You dont really have any neighbors... at least in the European sense... but that is a side point...

The main point is that China is surrounded by "neighbors" who theoretically should have been cooperating... either actively or passively, to contain and weaken them... What seems to have happened instead, is Mongolia played their role, while India and Japan dropped the ball, opting for isolationist stances and appeasement postures with China. The Mongols' land, and moreover, the map in general, seems designed to pressure, if not force civs to fill their historical roles. So the Mongols are given poor resources and a location with Tundra to the North Tunda and ocean to the East and Desert Mountains to the West, to force them into a deathmatch with their resource rich neighbor to the South. China has lots of resources precisely to induce her neighbors to covet them.

So if China is a monster, she is a monster of your own creation. If she has many resources, it was to give her a fair chance against the surrounding pressure that should have come, but never came, from India and Japan... Japan, India and Mongols were supposed to see the wealth of China and say "Hey we should do something about that!" Mongolia got it, but apparantly, India and japan never did. That's my analysis.

Another point about balancing... AFAICT, resources are roughly balanced against the # of neighbors and available land. So if you have alot of neighbors with little room to expand or you are trapped on an island, you get alot of resources. On the other hand, if you have few neighbors or no neighbors (like India), then you get few resources, because theoretically, you would be able to REX like crazy.

I know that at this point, the land is all taken, so what might have theoretically happened is basiclly irrelevant... I also realize that you are really just venting a little... so my comments are all tongue-in-cheek and in good humor... It seems like India is doing fine BTW... better than Ottomans anyway

[India (DoE)]

I have a complaint to make OOC regarding something IC.

Currently China is making a vast army and smashing the Mongolians to pieces. This is absolutely bad form in regard to diplo style etiquette. What is worse is that NO ONE seems to care that the smallest nation in the world with five cities in the frozen tundra is being beaten down by one of the biggest strongest nations on the planet. Of course Mongolia should be more active in the diplomacy department, but considering that it was in Russia and China's interest to keep them down, there are few others Mongolia can turn to. Japan as well has suckered up to China resulting in nothing more than a complete isolation.

This also leads me into another point, who the hell "balanced" this map!? I've been counting resources in the East and I am simply flabbergasted. The Mongolian capital has 4 resources. No city spot within 10 tiles has more than 3-4 resources within its potential borders. In all of India with my 6 cities, there is a total of 20 resources. All of Japan has 16 resources with roughly 5 per city (one of the 4 Japanese cites has no resources).
Beijing alone has 8. Shanghai has 7. The third chinese coastal city Nanjing has 9. If you include the inland city of Kaifeng, those 4 cities of China have 29 resources. China's 4 cities covering the Chinese heartland has 50% more resources than all of India combined. China has 50-100% more bonus resources in its starting area than its neighbours. How the hell is that balance!??!?


I am not making a deal out of this for my sake, I am very happy playing India and I am quite content with the lands and resources I have. But I am finding a vast discrepancy in balance caused by the vastly unfair distribution of resources. And this is not the first time that a diplomap that was tweaked for "balance" turns out to be anything but! I really do not understand how anyone could take a look at this map and say "this seems balanced". Not only does China has vast lands to expand, those lands are infinitely richer than any of its neighbours'. Could someone explain to me the thought behind this?

[Russia (DoE)]

As I said, I will post here in the future, just never saw anyone posting here about this before. I dont blame anyone

[Vikings (DoE)]

Russia you have the responsibility to finish your turn. Why log the first time if you do not have time, just makes no sense. I saw you in the PYT that you spend enough mins in the game the first time so that gave you plenty of time to finish your movements. Usually 1-3 mins log ins and outs are considered log on problems so we wait then. So yes it was only natural to think that you forgot to end your turn. Now when this happens again posting here would be great, that what people in the past have done.

[Russia (DoE)]

Now, I dont blame you for loging and attacking me before I finished my turn.

Dont put it like it is all my fault. Yes, it happened, yes, I was angry that I was not able to finish my turn normally, yes, I drafted one unit and kept it in the city, which otherwise I would draft anyway and despite moved south, it would be in range to be returned the very next turn in to the city when I see your attack + the new draft that could occured if I was still first in the turn order this turn. So I would had 2 rifles anyway. But thats just hypothesis and we cant return the time back, because even with reload, I will know you are going to attack and this would spoilt everithing again. So now, I have 1 rifle less in the city that I would normally would have before you attack for second time, but I am not trying to put a blame. For me, I prefer to look at it just as a unpleasant accident.

In my games, I try to play in good faith and I will of cource not move reinforcements from south cities that otherwise would have not make it if it was not that mess with the turns and I did not knew about your attack before the end of the last turn.

[Vikings (DoE)]

I will make a compromise now Russia. But I worry that you may have moved units north which you would have not if you hadn't logged after me. Yes the drafting would have happened anyway (sorry I wasn't familiar that the units will be available right away) I guess the only downside for me is that you would now have an extra turn to move closer any units from the south who you may have send north after you logged after me.

[Russia (DoE)]

Yes, yes, you are not pulling any strings, you are far more advanced puppet-master - you just use buttons

Quote Originally Posted by England (DoE) View Post
Cool.

Now which button do I push to get London back?

Mine

[Germany (DoE)]

Ah, you finaly admitted in public your puppet-master role

He he, I do not pull anyone's strings. Most of the world hates me! God knows why... the only country I ever attacked was France (and a few DA colonies when they Pained me)

But you, the super puppet-master expert

[Russia (DoE)]

Quote Originally Posted by England (DoE) View Post
Cool.

Now which button do I push to get London back?

Mine

Ah, you finaly admitted in public your puppet-master role

[Russia (DoE)]

Next time just post here that you have not finished your turn. Will take you just a sec!! That is the practice usually. Boys play with big sticks Vikings have proved that well.

I though it is clear that if I am not finished my turn that I am not finished my turn actually
I think it is notrmal and I always practice hitting EndOfTurn when actually finishing my turn. PYT clearly shows when someone is just loged-in, then exited, but not finishes his turn. I see some players playing but forgetting or not finishing their turn on purpose and thats why the game has made it only once till now to finish earlier, which is not good to my understanding.

But as I trully want to make every effort possible to avoid such situations in future, I will post here expict when I loged-in but still am not finished my turn from now on.

[Germany (DoE)]

Cool.

Now which button do I push to get London back?

Mine

[Israel (DoE)]

Cool.

Now which button do I push to get London back?

The one next to te "Jerusalem" button

[Vikings (DoE)]

Next time just post here that you have not finished your turn. Will take you just a sec!! That is the practice usually. Boys play with big sticks Vikings have proved that well.

[Russia (DoE)]

Izvinite moi Angliiskii iazik,dorogoi Guzzo

I did not meant to give you pleasure or make you feel good, as you were naughty boy attacking my city, but more was referring to
if you agree to this solution to our malenkii problem

[Vikings (DoE)]

Yes i will play my turn first, not so much to please me but to not have you double move on me and break the game rules.