Reply With Quoteno we can't. but they don't know that I suppose.
we could do monarchy?
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no we can't. but they don't know that I suppose.
Diss - you may want to propose the same deal to GoW that I have pitched to ND. It is in the ND thread.
I think if we approach it from both ends - this may work. We will have to balance this delicately - as they have another option - that being RP. And that is why I want to firm it up now. I don't think GoW or NeuD would back out of a deal.
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Received from GoW. Over to you, Dissident. I say definitely 'no' to world map - but we could offer more gold - say 50 or 60. You can tell them we have other offers to sell for cash - but would like to do business with them.
Actually - I would prefer to do business with RP - truth be known.
Polytheism
Betahound,
The Glory of War has acquired Polytheism, and is wondering what Vox would pay for it. I believe that either world map + 20 gold, or another tech would be sufficient payment. Please answer quickly, so that we can do the deal on this turn.
Thank You,
Panzer32
Foreign Affairs Consul for the Glory of War
Last edited by Beta; March 15, 2003 at 17:32.
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Diss - I hope you will not be upset with me. I gave an interim response - GoW has sat on the save since 8am (est) this morning - so we might be able to rush them into a cheap deal.
Here is what I sent:
Greeting Panzer32.
Dissident is responsible for Foreign Affairs with Glory of War. In his absence, I will start the discussion, but he will need to finalize it.
We are in contact with other civs with Polytheism. In fact - we have researched a good part of it already. Therefore, we would be willing to consider a straight cash deal. Please advise.
Thank-you and regards ... BetaHound.
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And their reply - 60 gold sounds OK to me. Unless we want to try for 50.
Betahound,
I think 60 gold would be sufficient for polytheism. Unfortunatly, by the time we agree on this, I think the turn will be passed on by us; therefore the deal will have to be delayed by a turn.
PS: do you want me to send all further communication to Dissident?
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Wait - it gets better:
BetaHound,
I am getting mixed up with technologies polytheism and philosophy. I am sorry, it is philosophy that I am to offer to you for 60 gold. If you would like to buy polytheism, the cost would be 49 gold. Again, should I send future PMs to Dissident?
Thanks,
Panzer32
Foreign Affairs Consul for the Glory of War
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49 for polytheism?
good enough for me
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My response:
We should be able to reach agreement on a price for polytheism. If you send it accepted - we will in the next couple of hours - get back to you on the price. You have my solemn promise that we will not accept Polytheism at our end until a price is agreed upon.
And yes - in the future - please direct correspondence to Dissident. I will miss dealing with the fine nation of GoW, but who knows, in the future, I may be re-assigned. Regards ... Beta.
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Sorry - just saw your post. OK. I will respond.Originally posted by Jon Miller
49 for polytheism?
good enough for me
Jon Miller
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Sent to Panzer32:
Panzer32. Sorry for the quick update. A number of members showed up, and the deal is agreed upon. 49 gold for Polytheism. As usual, it is a pleasure doing business with you.
Regards ... Beta.
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His response. Diss, I will leave it up to you to explain to them that we do not need philo.
RE: Deal
Great! I will send a proposal to Dissident soon. Please get back to us about the philosophy-60 gold trade
Thanks
Panzer32
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I already let Ghenghis know we have philosophy. He should have removed that when we accepted map making. I haven't opened that turn, so I'm not sure.
I would have preferred to contact RP before we agreed to this deal. We were trying to make friends remember? I think we could have got a better deal if we told RP how much GOW wanted.
I concur Diss - it would be best to get the price offers from both of them, compare their prices and then wheel-and-deal.
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Yes. i agree, we should shop around if we can. I also like the "silent bid auction". Well what do we research now?
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from Panzer32:- I responded saying we have philosophy
Dissident,
Greetings from the Glory of War! I hear that you are now the ambassador to us. I have contacted you so that we may discuss some possible technology deals:
1. GoW gives Vox philosophy, Vox gives GoW 60 gold. No trade clause for 20 turns.
2. GoW gives Vox construction when GoW acquires it, Vox gives GoW the free tech they receive at the beginning of the next age. This deal would logically be accompanied by a nonagression pact until its completion.
Please note that these deals have not been finalized by the GoW, they are only suggestions that I am fairly confident the GoW would accept.
Thank You,
Panzer32
Foreign Affairs Consul for the Glory of War
Last edited by Dis; March 18, 2003 at 02:00.
I do think we can do two. But I'm not sure of the difference of the tech costs.
I like #2 as well. The problem is construction is a 200 beaker tech, and monotheism 360. Feudalism is 320. And Engineering 360.
That is the equivalent of an entire tech. I would say an extra 100-120 gold to balance the books. They should have enough gold after dealing with us and lego.
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if we can reach consensus on this issue?
as Beta says, I think atthe least 2nd thing needs fixed
I would suggest not buying until after it is there, because usually price drops (As more people have the tecxh)
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I don't like #2. At least the way it is now. We should get gold out of the deal. LikeBeta suggested.
I will contact them about my taking over Fa duties.
"Do not honour the worthy, And the people will not compete. Do not value rare treasures, And people will not steal. Do not display what people want, And the people will not have their hearts confused. A sage governs this way: He empties peoples minds and fills their bellies. He weakens their wills and strengthens their bone. Keep the people always without knowledge and without desires, For then the clever will not dare act. Engage in no action and order will prevail."-Loazi "The Classic of The Way and Its Powers"
Should I suggest #2 with us recived 120 gold.
"Do not honour the worthy, And the people will not compete. Do not value rare treasures, And people will not steal. Do not display what people want, And the people will not have their hearts confused. A sage governs this way: He empties peoples minds and fills their bellies. He weakens their wills and strengthens their bone. Keep the people always without knowledge and without desires, For then the clever will not dare act. Engage in no action and order will prevail."-Loazi "The Classic of The Way and Its Powers"
How about using the same restrictions on them as they are trying with us? For example:
#2 with us receiving between 80-100 gold and they cannot trade the new era advance for 10 turns?
This would leave us with the chance of selling our new era advance to other civs first.
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Originally posted by Wittlich
How about using the same restrictions on them as they are trying with us? For example:
#2 with us receiving between 80-100 gold and they cannot trade the new era advance for 10 turns?
This would leave us with the chance of selling our new era advance to other civs first.
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I like this they seem to be wanting to get some good techs for nothingOriginally posted by BetaHound
hmm
still not sure
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How about we do #2 with the 10 turn restriction, but instead of the gold we get currecy as soon as they get it, or if they have it right away. Let me know what you all think, and I will get going on sealing a deal.
"Do not honour the worthy, And the people will not compete. Do not value rare treasures, And people will not steal. Do not display what people want, And the people will not have their hearts confused. A sage governs this way: He empties peoples minds and fills their bellies. He weakens their wills and strengthens their bone. Keep the people always without knowledge and without desires, For then the clever will not dare act. Engage in no action and order will prevail."-Loazi "The Classic of The Way and Its Powers"
I would really like to get a deal done with them in order to have a friend on the land we are trying to settle. if you all want I could try and get a protection pact a part of the deal?
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I would like the currency deal with RP to go through. I like the cash.Originally posted by mjmacy
How about we do #2 with the 10 turn restriction, but instead of the gold we get currecy as soon as they get it, or if they have it right away. Let me know what you all think, and I will get going on sealing a deal.
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Ok so I should try and get Construction and 100-120 gold? Sound good to everyone.
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If you can get 120 gold I say great! But the max will probably only be 100 (most likely 80).
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"If God, as they say, is homophobic, I wouldn't worship that God." - Archbishop Desmond Tutu
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