Why doesn't anyone care about the Fourth amendment?

[kentonio]

Given how much whining and crying we hear about the 2nd, why are people so quiet about the gradual disintegration of the 4th? Now that police have a right to break into your home unannounced in the dead of night, and then can kill you, claim they thought their safety was under threat, and walk away scot free (even after having been shown to have lied about part of their testimony) isn't that a bit more important than your right to own a gun? Especially as if you drew that gun during one of those night time police raids, you'd certainly be killed for it, regardless of whether you knew it was the police or not.

Is having a gun just a more exciting topic of discussion than having a safe home? Doesn't the argument about being able to fight back against the power of the state look a bit empty when you're happy to allow them to violate your home and potentially your life?

[Berzerker]

this is your 4th Amendment under the influence of a drug war

The NRA tells us they care about the 2nd Amendment while supporting a drug war that endangers the 2nd Amendment

[korn469]

The EFF is probably the biggest supporter of 4th Amendment rights. Most, but certainly not all 4th Amendment violations come from the patriot act or by government officials being very literal and saying it only applies to papers and not computers.

[giblets]

Given how much whining and crying we hear about the 2nd, why are people so quiet about the gradual disintegration of the 4th? Now that police have a right to break into your home unannounced in the dead of night, and then can kill you, claim they thought their safety was under threat, and walk away scot free (even after having been shown to have lied about part of their testimony) isn't that a bit more important than your right to own a gun? Especially as if you drew that gun during one of those night time police raids, you'd certainly be killed for it, regardless of whether you knew it was the police or not.

Is having a gun just a more exciting topic of discussion than having a safe home? Doesn't the argument about being able to fight back against the power of the state look a bit empty when you're happy to allow them to violate your home and potentially your life?

They don't have the right to do that, but it's certainly possible they're considered innocent until proven guilty.

[Giancarlo]

The NRA was once a supporter of gun control. Now they want gun markets where anybody can buy any weapon of their choosing.

It isn't just the 4th amendment that is under threat, but the Supreme Court ruling Miranda v. Arizona.

[Lorizael]

Once again kentonio displays his ignorance of American politics. The amendments are listed in order of importance, with the Second Amendment being twice as important as the Fourth Amendment. In fact, if you go back and read what the Founding Fathers had to say about the Bill of Rights, you'll see that the frequency of each amendment follows a Zipfian distribution, which is how we know the amendments are basically natural law. I'll wait here while you go look that up.

[kentonio]

They don't have the right to do that, but it's certainly possible they're considered innocent until proven guilty.

Ok, please explain the following verdict by the U.S. Court of Appeals, and the Hudson v. Michigan case in the Supreme Court.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...th-drug-raids/

TLDR: Cops get an anonymous tip about drug dealings in a duplex, search the trash and claim to have found a bag from each of the two apartments that contain traces of marijuana (convenient huh?). They get a warrant and raid the apartments at 4.30am. Homeowner in on of the apartments appears in his bedroom door holding a sheathed knife, and is shot in the head. Police claim he attacked them. Afterwards the police claim to have found a small quantity of marijuana.

Police further claim that they pounded on the door loudly and announced themselves twice before breaking down the door with a ram. Neighbours testified that they heard no such announcement, and the door magically showed no signs of having been broken in by a ram. Both the initial trial jury and the appeal court both accepted the police version of this was untrue.

Jury awarded $250k in damages to the mans father. Appeals court threw out the damages because the victim should have known it was the police smashing their way into his home, despite accepting they didn't announce themselves as police. The entire time between them entering and the man being shot was under a minute.

Please explain how they don't have a right to do the things I claimed in the op, when indeed they have done this and it has been judged to be ok.

[giblets]

Disproving part of a suspect's testimony doesn't prove them guilty.

[giblets]

They might be guilty of perjury, but that doesn't prove them guilty of the offense they were originally charged with.

[kentonio]

They might be guilty of perjury, but that doesn't prove them guilty of the offense they were originally charged with.

Given that their entire defence was based around their version of events being true and not a pack of lies, showing at least part of their version of events was a pack of lies rather undermines their defence no? Or would a suspected murderer receive the same level of trust from a judge?

[giblets]

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Well said.

[Aeson]

Vietnamese spam bots care about the fourth amendment!

[self biased]

people who care about the Fourth Amendment hate the Constitution and want to see the Terrorists win.

[The Mad Monk]

We do care about the fourth amendment, more than you know.

Unfortunately, guns "sell newspapers".

[Dauphin]

Once again kentonio displays his ignorance of American politics. The amendments are listed in order of importance, with the Second Amendment being twice as important as the Fourth Amendment. In fact, if you go back and read what the Founding Fathers had to say about the Bill of Rights, you'll see that the frequency of each amendment follows a Zipfian distribution, which is how we know the amendments are basically natural law. I'll wait here while you go look that up.

Is that why the 27th Amendment took over 200 years to go from drafting to ratification.