What conspiracy theories and pseudoscience did you used to believe in?

[Colon™]

I'm asking about the past since if you still believe in a certain form a claptrap you're ofcourse not going to recognize it as such.

I used to buy in this theory that the pyramids weren't built by the ancient Egyptians. Can't remember many specifics but it had something to do with the stars and Atlantis on Antartica.

Used to believe in UFOs and a cover-up by the govts.

I also believe there was a conspiracy by the banks to suppress the gold price (some might remember me posting about it here).

[kentonio]

I used to believe Bobby Kennedy's assassination was a cover up, and hey I still do!

[Colon™]

Oliver Stone had me going for a while with JFK.

[rah]

BK is real and will return.

[Dauphin]

I believed in the Euro being a good thing.

[Hauldren Collider]

Agent Orange causing cancer.

[Aeson]

faith in humanity ...

[Hauldren Collider]

Agent Orange causing cancer.

PS if anyone wants to argue about this I have one of my statistics textbooks recommended to me by my advisor (who is both a PhD statistician and a licensed medical doctor) already open to Section 3.1.2: The Effects of Agent Orange on Troops in Vietnam -- An Observational Study. Fight me

[C0ckney]

capitalism and representative democracy.

[kentonio]

PS if anyone wants to argue about this I have one of my statistics textbooks recommended to me by my advisor (who is both a PhD statistician and a licensed medical doctor) already open to Section 3.1.2: The Effects of Agent Orange on Troops in Vietnam -- An Observational Study. Fight me

I'm not going to fight you, I'm just going to think you're a ****ing revolting person. Or have you forgotten how you and Reg kept insisting this insulting bull**** was true when MTG was here, despite the fact he'd lost friends to that ****? You need to stop making sweeping offensive statements about things you know ****ing nothing about. Either that or admit you're an ******* who pisses on the memory of veterans.

[Sava]

PS if anyone wants to argue about this I have one of my statistics textbooks recommended to me by my advisor (who is both a PhD statistician and a licensed medical doctor) already open to Section 3.1.2: The Effects of Agent Orange on Troops in Vietnam -- An Observational Study. Fight me

I don't particularly care either way, but as usual, I suspect you are wrong.

Brief google search confirms... once again.

I think you need to be the title holder of "always wrong" over Oerdin... quite frankly.

As I said, I don't care. So don't (or do, if you want) waste your time arguing. Anyone interested in actually learning about the topic is free to do the research.


But basically (for those interested in actual facts and not what HC's advisor thinks ... I'm almost tempted to ask if he's also an actuary )

Since 1994, the federal government has directed the Institute of Medicine (IOM), part of the National Academy of Sciences (NAS), to issue reports every 2 years on the health effects of Agent Orange and similar herbicides. Titled Veterans and Agent Orange, the IOM reports assess the risk of both cancer and non-cancer health effects. Each health effect is categorized as having one of the following:

Sufficient evidence of an association
Limited/suggestive evidence of an association
Inadequate/insufficient evidence to determine whether an association exists
Limited/suggestive evidence of no association

Sufficient evidence of an association

Soft tissue sarcoma

Non-Hodgkin lymphoma (NHL)

Hodgkin disease

Chronic lymphocytic leukemia (CLL), including hairy cell leukemia and other chronic B-cell leukemias

http://www.cancer.org/cancer/cancercauses/othercarcinogens/intheworkplace/agent-orange-and-cancer

also, from the same document

National Toxicology Program

The US National Toxicology Program (NTP), formed from parts of several government agencies, evaluates exposures that may be carcinogenic (cancer-causing).

The NTP has not classified the phenoxy herbicides, including Agent Orange, but it lists 2,3,7,8-TCDD (dioxin) as “known to be a human carcinogen.”

International Agency for Research on Cancer

The International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC) is part of the World Health Organization (WHO). Its major goal is to identify causes of cancer.

IARC has not rated Agent Orange itself, but it classifies the phenoxy herbicides, including 2,4-D and 2,4,5-T, as “possibly carcinogenic to humans.” It lists 2,3,7,8-TCDD (dioxin) as “known to be carcinogenic to humans.”

Environmental Protection Agency

The US Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) maintains the Integrated Risk Information System (IRIS), an electronic database that has information on human health effects from exposure to substances in the environment. The EPA is now reviewing whether 2,3,7,8-TCDD (dioxin) is carcinogenic to humans.

(For more information on the classification systems used by the NTP, IARC, and EPA, see our document,

BUT I'M SURE YOUR ADVISOR KNOWS BETTER



idiot

It's actually a pretty clear cut case.

A 1969 report authored by K. Diane Courtney and others found 2,4,5-T could cause birth defects and stillbirths in mice.[22] Several studies have shown an increased rate of cancer mortality for workers exposed to 2,4,5-T. In one such study, from Hamburg, Germany, the risk of cancer mortality increased by 170% after working for 10 years at the 2,4,5-T-producing section of a Hamburg manufacturing plant.[15] Three studies have suggested prior exposure to Agent Orange poses an increased risk of acute myelogenous leukemia in the children of Vietnam veterans.[10]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agent_Orange

Once again... I'll trust the science.

[Aeson]

I will just point out that HC is technically wrong, since it is a reproduceable lab experiment to cause cancer with chemicals present in Agent Orange. If the question is binary yes or no with no other qualifications than "Agent Orange causes cancer", the answer is yes.

The applicable question is what dose levels and subjects. (Also I'd wager HC hasn't been leaving an open bottle of 2-4-D in his room yet.)

[kentonio]

He doesn't need to, according to Reg it's so safe you can drink it.

[Sava]

I will just point out that HC is technically wrong, since it is a reproduceable lab experiment to cause cancer with chemicals present in Agent Orange. If the question is binary yes or no with no other qualifications than "Agent Orange causes cancer", the answer is yes.

The applicable question is what dose levels and subjects. (Also I'd wager HC hasn't been leaving an open bottle of 2-4-D in his room yet.)

Yup.

[Aeson]

Back on-topic, I was a staunch Republican until I was 16.