Originally posted by regexcellent
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That's not the point.
The point is that under the traditional definition of marriage, there is not discrimination against gay people. They have the right to do the same things that straight people can. They just can't do something else entirely and call it marriage, then get a marriage license from the State to that effect.
Whether it enriches their lives or not is simply not germane.
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If you start from the position of believing all people are equal, the idea that its 'something else entirely' seems utterly illogical. The part that really burns so many people though is that this is so damn unimportant to anyone but homosexuals. It's such a completely free thing to do, that would hurt no-one, cost nothing, and have literally no ill effects yet would make society more equal and have a positive effect on the happiness and sense of social belonging of millions of people. Seriously, why the **** not?
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Originally posted by regexcellent View PostThat's not the point.
The point is that under the traditional definition of marriage, there is not discrimination against gay people. They have the right to do the same things that straight people can. They just can't do something else entirely and call it marriage, then get a marriage license from the State to that effect.
Whether it enriches their lives or not is simply not germane.
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Whether or not we should have gay marriage as a matter of public policy is also not germane. The point Kuciwalker has been trying to make is that the argument that we shouldn't is at a minimum logically consistent and not inherently steeped in discrimination and bigotry (though I have no doubt that many supporters of that policy are in fact bigots).
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Originally posted by gribbler View PostThe legal definition under which they can't marry their actual partners but can marry people who will never be their partners isn't discriminatory? That doesn't really make sense.
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Originally posted by Kuciwalker View PostNo, they aren't. A huge proportion of the population believes the hypothetical is true. If you are unable to put yourself in your opponents' shoes and reason from their own premises, you are intellectually stunted and should have little faith in your own beliefs.“As a lifelong member of the Columbia Business School community, I adhere to the principles of truth, integrity, and respect. I will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do.”
"Capitalism ho!"
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AT&T should have justified its buying of T-mobile as a marriage instead of an acquisition.“As a lifelong member of the Columbia Business School community, I adhere to the principles of truth, integrity, and respect. I will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do.”
"Capitalism ho!"
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Originally posted by regexcellent View PostYes it does. The notion is that they can't marry their partners because that is actually not possible because that is not what marriage is, and that "marrying" their partners would be like having a funeral for Kodak.
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Originally posted by Kuciwalker View PostNo, they aren't. A huge proportion of the population believes the hypothetical is true. If you are unable to put yourself in your opponents' shoes and reason from their own premises, you are intellectually stunted and should have little faith in your own beliefs.
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It's nice to be able to demonize your opponents.
If this were the case, then why does there exist people like myself who believes the hypothetical is true, does not support gay marriage based on it somehow being discriminatory not to allow a man to marry another man, and yet still be in favor due to the social benefits.
I wonder what % of the those who are in favor of gay marriage are in favor for reasons other than thinking that it would be discriminatory not to allow a man to marry another man...
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