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Originally posted by Kuciwalker View PostLook. You and I both think the whole "marriage is defined as between a man and a woman!" argument is stupid, because definitions don't actually matter and letting gay couples call themselves married would make them very happy at almost no cost. We think that the whole "marriage is good because it produces babies!" argument is stupid, because we don't penalize married couples that don't have kids. And so on with all the various other arguments. But there are enough arguments, and they have enough logical coherence between them (even if they are wrong), that a legislator can honestly say "marriage and gay marriage are different things and gay people are perfectly free to marry, just not gay marry" and the court should not second-guess him. Laws should generally not be struck down on the basis that the legislators who passed them were mistaken on the facts or used poor reasoning, because the court is just as susceptible to those errors.
To be fair, a panel of esteemed judges tend to be far more intelligent than South Carolina Republican state representatives. Y'all."The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "
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Originally posted by Kuciwalker View PostIt is frankly ridiculous to read a right to gay marriage into the Constitution.A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.
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Originally posted by Kuciwalker View PostYou are bad at this.A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.
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Originally posted by Kuciwalker View PostLook. You and I both think the whole "marriage is defined as between a man and a woman!" argument is stupid, because definitions don't actually matter and letting gay couples call themselves married would make them very happy at almost no cost. We think that the whole "marriage is good because it produces babies!" argument is stupid, because we don't penalize married couples that don't have kids. And so on with all the various other arguments. But there are enough arguments, and they have enough logical coherence between them (even if they are wrong), that a legislator can honestly say "marriage and gay marriage are different things and gay people are perfectly free to marry, just not gay marry" and the court should not second-guess him. Laws should generally not be struck down on the basis that the legislators who passed them were mistaken on the facts or used poor reasoning, because the court is just as susceptible to those errors."My nation is the world, and my religion is to do good." --Thomas Paine
"The subject of onanism is inexhaustable." --Sigmund Freud
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Originally posted by Kuciwalker View Postgribbler, is polygamy a Constitutional right?
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Originally posted by gribbler View PostNo one is even born a polygamist so that is not a valid comparison. You are also exceptionally bad at this if you think people want bans on gay marriage to be struck down on the basis of whether the bigots are being stupid instead of on the basis of equal rights.“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
- John 13:34-35 (NRSV)
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The anti-miscegenation statutes existed to help preserve the unequal status of blacks. Bans on same-sex marriage exist to perpetuate the unequal status of homosexuals. People don't have a choice about being black, and gays generally don't have a choice in the matter. It is a very close parallel.
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Originally posted by regexcellent View PostHow about the fact that the Constitution just doesn't have anything to say on the topic of homosexuality? It protects discrimination based on race and sex but not sexual orientation.
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