Reply With QuoteI think you trade him now while the hype is still fresh. I don't see how sitting on the bench for a few years will enhance his value. The last thing you want is looking to need him as his contract comes up.
Trade Tebow and get Manning more weapons?
or
Keep Tebow and let him learn from the master and prepare to be Denver's QB of the Future?
"I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003
I think you trade him now while the hype is still fresh. I don't see how sitting on the bench for a few years will enhance his value. The last thing you want is looking to need him as his contract comes up.
The OT at APOLYTON is like watching the Special Olympics. Certain people try so hard to debate despite their handicaps.
Baron O RIP.
Debate? I don't think there is one.
Tebow will be traded. Signing Peyton Manning is an all-in move.
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That's assuming that the Broncos can get any real value for Tebow. At the end of the day, it may make more sense to keep him.
That's what the debate is for...is Tebow marketable enough? What is Denver's backup plan if Manning isn't fully ready or gets hurt? How many years can you really get from Manning? Can Tebow be made into the QB of the Future for the Broncos?
They did, afterall, trade up to get him...
Maybe there is no real debate, but these questions are worth pondering, don't you think?
"I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003
I hear Jacksonville wants him.
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Manning will take a hit and be done. Tebow will be gone...somewhere. I'll rejoice. I've remembered why I had never liked Elway.
Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
"Hating America is something best left to Mobius. He is an expert Yank hater.
He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead
Elway: "Tebow has earned the right to be our starting quarterback when practice begins....uhhh, Peyton's available? Tebow has earned the right to be traded to a second rate team in which we will get little in return. "
"I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003
Exactly. Always has been a man of honor.
Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
"Hating America is something best left to Mobius. He is an expert Yank hater.
He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead
I suspect it's Pat Bowlen who really drove this.
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Not to sure about that. Doesn't he have some form of dementia? I thought he was out of running the team.
"I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003
Yeah, that occurred to me. But it doesn't mean he can't tell Elway to go get Manning for him.
In fact, might make it more likely.
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RIP lest we forget... SG (2) and LaFayette -- Civ2 Succession Games Brothers-in-Arms
From what I read, its Elway driving this. It does really suck for Tebow. I think I'd keep him to be groomed by Payton. He'd likely be the best teacher Tebow could ever have.
“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
- John 13:34-35 (NRSV)
If they cared about grooming Tebow, one would think Elway would be a pretty good teacher himself.
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When I was younger I thought curfews were silly, but now as the daughter of a young woman, I appreciate them. - Rah
Maybe if he was still suiting up and attending daily working meetings and practices. I doubt Elway would have the time.Originally Posted by OzzyKP
"I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003
He might have had no choice if they didn't get Manning
Keep on Civin'
RIP Baron O
Good point.
"I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003
Bright lights, big city for Tebow...
Jets acquired QB Tim Tebow and a 2012 seventh-round pick from the Broncos in exchange for fourth- and sixth-round picks in 2012.
Per ESPN's Adam Schefter, the Rams "jumped in" to the Tebow trade talks on Wednesday morning, and they along with the Jaguars and Jets were in the thick of conversations. In New York, Tebow will create some urgency for Mark Sanchez, although he's ultimately expected to be a No. 3 quarterback and package-type player. If Sanchez starts the 2012 season slow, however, we'd hardly be shocked if Tebow's quarterbacking role grew. He fits perfectly with Rex Ryan and Tony Sparano's run-heavy mindset.
Source: Jay Glazer on Twitter
Mar 21 - 12:49 PM
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RIP lest we forget... SG (2) and LaFayette -- Civ2 Succession Games Brothers-in-Arms
Supposedly they beat out the Packers for him.
"Flutie was better than Kelly, Elway, Esiason and Cunningham." - Ben Kenobi
"I have nothing against Wilson, but he's nowhere near the same calibre of QB as Flutie. Flutie threw for 5k+ yards in the CFL." -Ben Kenobi
My understanding is that it was Jacksonville and the Jets, with the Packers withdrawing when their lowball bid was trumped.
Whatev. At least he's on a team that's already a media circus.
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RIP lest we forget... SG (2) and LaFayette -- Civ2 Succession Games Brothers-in-Arms
Strange that he wouldn't go with Jacksonville.
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When I was younger I thought curfews were silly, but now as the daughter of a young woman, I appreciate them. - Rah
Jets offered the Broncos more.
"Flutie was better than Kelly, Elway, Esiason and Cunningham." - Ben Kenobi
"I have nothing against Wilson, but he's nowhere near the same calibre of QB as Flutie. Flutie threw for 5k+ yards in the CFL." -Ben Kenobi
Oh yea, it was up to the Broncos. Bleh.
Captain of Team Apolyton - ISDG 2012
When I was younger I thought curfews were silly, but now as the daughter of a young woman, I appreciate them. - Rah
Or maybe not.
After word spread rapidly Wednesday that the New York Jets had acquired quarterback Tim Tebow from Denver for draft picks, the teams have encountered a hang-up in the language in Tebow's contract that could nullify the trade, a Broncos source tells ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter.
Tebow has about $5 million worth of recapture language in his contract, meaning the Jets would have to pay back some money to Denver, and the Jets might be unwilling to do that.
The trade, then, is not finalized.
The teams agreed to the terms of the trade -- the Jets dealt fourth-round and sixth-round selections in 2012 in exchange for Tebow and a 2012 seventh-rounder from Denver -- before the Broncos asked New York to pay back a portion of bonuses and salary already paid to Tebow, sources told Schefter.
One league source said he believes the trade will go through. Sources also said that, if the trade falls apart, the St. Louis Rams could be in play for Tebow.
The same money issues in Tebow's contract caused complications for Jacksonville trying to complete a trade for Tebow earlier, sources told Schefter.
What would the Rams do with Tebow?
"Flutie was better than Kelly, Elway, Esiason and Cunningham." - Ben Kenobi
"I have nothing against Wilson, but he's nowhere near the same calibre of QB as Flutie. Flutie threw for 5k+ yards in the CFL." -Ben Kenobi
Reportedly, they would use him in goal line packages, which has been a huge problem for Bradford.
Tebow is also seen as the "ultimate wildcat QB" by the Jets' OC, who IIRC was the guy who popularized it in Miami.
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RIP lest we forget... SG (2) and LaFayette -- Civ2 Succession Games Brothers-in-Arms
Tony Sparano.
"Flutie was better than Kelly, Elway, Esiason and Cunningham." - Ben Kenobi
"I have nothing against Wilson, but he's nowhere near the same calibre of QB as Flutie. Flutie threw for 5k+ yards in the CFL." -Ben Kenobi
It may be up to Tebow.
http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/stor...rs-source-says
Or so the article says but it's confusing.
But then...Jacksonville or New York? Tim Tebow's future is up to him.
After a trade that would have sent the Broncos quarterback to the New York Jets hit a contract-related snag Wednesday afternoon, a league source tells ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter that Tebow can choose whether Denver deals the former Heisman Trophy winner to his hometown Jaguars or to Rex Ryan's Jets.
I guess he could basically pay his way to any shortfall by the cheaper team.The teams agreed to the terms of the trade -- the Jets dealt fourth-round and sixth-round selections in 2012 in exchange for Tebow and a 2012 seventh-rounder from Denver -- before the Broncos asked New York to pay back a portion of bonuses and salary already paid to Tebow, sources told Schefter.
The Jaguars, a league source told Schefter, then made an additional play to get Tebow after initially trying, and failing, to land the him earlier Wednesday.
ESPN initially reported the St. Louis Rams could be a landing place for Tebow, but sources later indicated the Rams are not serious contenders.
A source told ESPN's Ed Werder that Denver was negotiating with both the Jets and Jaguars for cash payments and will complete the trade with whichever team offers the highest amount.
Interesting choice. Go to be a backup and gimmick player on a better team or the starter on a worse team. It's like Satan in "Paradise Lost"
"Flutie was better than Kelly, Elway, Esiason and Cunningham." - Ben Kenobi
"I have nothing against Wilson, but he's nowhere near the same calibre of QB as Flutie. Flutie threw for 5k+ yards in the CFL." -Ben Kenobi
It would seem like being the starter would be the clear better option. Plus, with all the flak Tebow got while out in Denver he is going to be cut to shreds in New York. In Jacksonville he'll be hailed as a hometown hero, win or lose. If you are a grizzled veteran looking for one last chance to win a championship, then sure, go be a bit player in a good team that has a chance, but someone in Tebow's situation should want to craft his own destiny. Become the center piece a team can build around instead, like Denver, some sideshow that can be cast aside whenever convenient.
Captain of Team Apolyton - ISDG 2012
When I was younger I thought curfews were silly, but now as the daughter of a young woman, I appreciate them. - Rah
I was imagining him replacing an injured Sanchez and then leveraging his success on a strong team to a starting job elsewhere... but I guess Sanchez is pretty durable and Tebow kind of already had a lot of success that he couldn't leverage to a guaranteed starting job.
Guess Jacksonville would be the destination.
"Flutie was better than Kelly, Elway, Esiason and Cunningham." - Ben Kenobi
"I have nothing against Wilson, but he's nowhere near the same calibre of QB as Flutie. Flutie threw for 5k+ yards in the CFL." -Ben Kenobi
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