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    Quote Originally Posted by Al B. Sure! View Post
    It has not been updated. Look at the article and look at my OP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gribbler View Post
    But he didn't call you a 'dumbass'.
    He called me a dumb **** or ****. regardless. Stop being a *****.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dinner View Post
    In the video the the TV guy says the 911 operator told him to wait for police to arrive.
    Didn't see the video on first pass but I've watched it now.

    The reporter says that was the instruction given but I don't know where he got that information from. The accompanying text article claims the family wants to hear the 911 tape to verify this. It seems strange the reporter would have been given access but the family denied.
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    That does seem odd to me.
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    I'd go with Occam's Razor on this and put it down to sloppy reporting.
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    KH is right that at no point has that man voided his right to self-defense based on the information given.

    Loin is right that since he was told not to engage the suspect by law enforcement officials, he is likely to have started "****."

    Alpert is right because the video was there.

    Oerdin is wrong because he's always wrong. Sorry.

    I'm right because I just summed up what was already said.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaShi View Post
    I'm right because I just summed up what was already said.
    Watch out your'e nearing Oerdiness
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    I like living on the edge.
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    "If you're not living on the edge you're taking up too much space."
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    Well, then you probably don't mind to be called miniOerdin
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    A fart upon all of you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by loinburger View Post
    I'm willing to entertain wild speculation on the subject. Hypothetically, what could the kid have done that would justify his being shot?
    He put on his robe and Wizard hat.

    He stomped the ground, and snorted, to alert him that he was in his breeding territory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrFun View Post
    The teen was walking while being black.
    The teen was being black.

    FTFY

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    What the hell is a NBA All-Star game, and who the **** watches it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackCat View Post
    Watch out your'e nearing Oerdiness
    Is an Oerdiness the Oerdin's wife? I mean the baroness is the baron's wife and the Duchess is the Duke's wife so the Oerdiness must be the Oerdin's wife. Perhaps you meant Oerdinness as in the ness of Oerdin? Though I have to confess that sounds kind of kinky.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Braindead View Post
    The teen was being black.

    FTFY
    In the 1930's that could have been a valid (or at least legal) reason to shoot someone but it hasn't been legal to shoot someone for being black in a white neighborhood for some time now. Even in the south.
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    I do retain a 20-30% probability that the vigilante merely said something obnoxious and was attacked by the teen physically for his trouble, which led to an object lesson in the importance of superior firepower. In this case the defense wins, assuming they can show this is what happened.

    Checked alby's link, didn't see any video.
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    That's what I'm saying! There was not a video when I first saw that link and now there is a video.
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    This wouldnt have happaned if the black kid had a gun. Well the case would have been alot clearer if he did. Life whitout parol for the black kid.

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    Of course the "cap" said something, anything from "stop right there, you criminal scum" to "hey nigger, what the **** are you doing in my community". The kid told him to **** off or ignored him; when the "cap" grabbed him, he socked him on the nose so hard the guy fell onto someone's lawn, got up, pulled the gun out and shot the kid.
    That's my completely groundless interpretation.
    Hitting anyone who tries to restrain you and has not identified himself as a police officer is completely justified in my book, if you give them a fair warning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dinner View Post
    Is an Oerdiness the Oerdin's wife? I mean the baroness is the baron's wife and the Duchess is the Duke's wife so the Oerdiness must be the Oerdin's wife. Perhaps you meant Oerdinness as in the ness of Oerdin? Though I have to confess that sounds kind of kinky.
    That's what you need. An Oerdiness, to give you little Oerdinets and Oerdinettes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by onodera View Post
    Of course the "cap" said something, anything from "stop right there, you criminal scum" to "hey nigger, what the **** are you doing in my community". The kid told him to **** off or ignored him; when the "cap" grabbed him, he socked him on the nose so hard the guy fell onto someone's lawn, got up, pulled the gun out and shot the kid.
    That's my completely groundless interpretation.
    Hitting anyone who tries to restrain you and has not identified himself as a police officer is completely justified in my book, if you give them a fair warning.
    You are completely right.

    And please Al, I hope you realize that I do believe the watch is most likely guilty of something, I'm just not sure what yet. Could be anything from murder 1 with a hate crime enhancer to just plain old disorderly conduct.
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    Sounds like the whole Stephen Lawrence debacle where a black kid was murdered (in Eltham in fact where I used to live in London) and nothing really happened until recently because the police (ha, the delightful Met) just "assumed" he was some "black kid" and nothing but trouble. Turned out he was in education and just a normal lad. Scary. But at least over here it isn't viewed as rather routine, which I find disturbing.
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    I have never known it to be 'routine' for neighborhood watch to shoot someone.

    In fact, I don't think I have heard of it before (although I am sure it has happened).

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    It's routine in the imaginations of ignorant people.
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    I'm trying to imagine a scenario where a black NW captain shoots a white teen, and isn't arrested immediately.

    I can't come up with anything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dinner View Post
    Is an Oerdiness the Oerdin's wife? I mean the baroness is the baron's wife and the Duchess is the Duke's wife so the Oerdiness must be the Oerdin's wife. Perhaps you meant Oerdinness as in the ness of Oerdin? Though I have to confess that sounds kind of kinky.
    No, it was more like confusedness.
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    That makes even less sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jon Miller View Post
    I have never known it to be 'routine' for neighborhood watch to shoot someone.

    In fact, I don't think I have heard of it before (although I am sure it has happened).

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    Supposedly the neighborhood watch program's guidelines instruct people to never confront suspicious people and instead to simply call the authorities.
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