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    I happen to agree with Ben. Flutie is the best quarterback ever to play in the league. Unfortunately, that League is the CFL, not the NFL.

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    Sparrow, Flutie was awesome wasn't he!
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    Sparrow, Flutie was awesome wasn't he!
    In the CFL yes.

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    Well, Albert's never seen him play in the CFL. He has no idea what Flutie can do. He believes that 38 year old Flutie is as good as it gets.
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    In the CFL yes.

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    But he was wasted in the CFL only because none of the NFL teams would give him a chance to demonstrate his awesomeness...





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    The first preseason game, Ryan had the Cowboys come out in a "Flex" defense, as an acknowledgment and tribute to Landry. I thought that was way cool. I like this Ryan.
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    I don't like any of the Ryans
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    Not even Ryan Leaf?
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    Who?
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    He wasn't funny enough (he was close though).
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    Ben, you should be a huge Leaf fan. He's basically responsible personally for the Chargers' current success. If it weren't for him, the Chargers would've won more games and not had all those high draft picks, and Rivers would be a Chief now or something like that.
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    Ben, you should be a huge Leaf fan.
    What, was he a football player? Never heard of him. Should I know him? Was he good or something?
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    He was terrible. That's why you should know him. Just GTFO of this thread and save us from your habitual ignorance on all things american.
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    The Chargers traded up to draft Ryan Leaf #2 overall after Peyton Manning in 1988.

    Entering the 1998 draft, Manning and Leaf were widely considered to be the two best players available, and scouts and analysts debated whether Leaf or Manning should be selected first. Many advocated for Leaf and his stronger arm, while others saw Manning as the more mature player. However, the differences in potential between the two seemed small enough that most observers expected it would not greatly matter whether a team selected Manning or Leaf. The San Diego Chargers had the third pick of the draft, but traded two first round picks, a second round pick, and four time Pro Bowler Eric Metcalf to the Arizona Cardinals to move up one spot and guarantee that the team would get one of the two quarterbacks.[8]

    On draft day Manning was selected first by the Indianapolis Colts and Leaf was selected second by the Chargers.
    Ryan Leaf turned out to be horrendous and was out of the league within a couple years. Million-dollar arm, two-bit brain.
    Just as amazing is that the Cardinals coundn't leverage that trade into turning their sorry franchise around.
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    I'd note that it's 1998 not 1988, and the Cardinals did manage to turn their sorry franchise around not that much later. They did end up with some good WRs and Kurt Warner taking them to a Superbowl... but when you whiff just as badly on Leinart, what do you expect...
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    The Cardinals got 3rd overall DE Andre Wadsworth (8 career sacks), 33rd overall DB Corey Chavous (5 INTs in 4 years with Arizona), 8th overall WR David Boston (the steroid user), and RB/WR Eric Metcalf (exclusively a return man in Arizona) and LB Patrick Sapp (27 tackles in two seasons with Arizona).

    That's ****ing terrible. Only the Cardinals could put up an apparent fleecing trade and wind up with David Boston as the best they got out of it!
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    The Chargers traded up to draft Ryan Leaf #2 overall after Peyton Manning in 1988.
    I'm afraid I don't recall. I do remember Manning going number one. Everything after is just a blank.
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    Because you didn't like the Chargers until Flutie and LT came to the team. You didn't follow the game period and you still barely follow the game. I saw your erroneous picks in fantasy putting guys on the wrong teams. You're barely a casual fan.
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    Because you didn't like the Chargers until Flutie and LT came to the team. You didn't follow the game period and you still barely follow the game. I saw your erroneous picks in fantasy putting guys on the wrong teams. You're barely a casual fan.
    Next thing you'll be tellng me is that FOrd was president.
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    To be fair to AZ, David Boston looked like a sure thing, and Wadsworth was pretty high upside also. Sometimes you just miss...
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    Kerry Collins has come out of retirement to join the Colts. I can't remember the last time the Colts had an experienced backup QB. Mark Rypien, maybe?

    Uh oh. Maybe Peyton's neck is a problem.
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    To be fair to AZ, David Boston looked like a sure thing, and Wadsworth was pretty high upside also. Sometimes you just miss...
    Boston had that one monstrous season but dude put on muscle so fast you knew he was juicing. He looked like a bodybuilder and ran like a 4.3 40.

    I just can't believe it took so long for him to test positive for something. Dude was so obviously on steroids.



    And that was 3 years before he tested positive.
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    Yeah. Looked it up. Unless that shot is from a preseason game, the Cardinals played the Chiefs in 2001 when Boston had 7 catches for 131 yards and a TD in that game (his big year). He tested positive for steroids in 2004.

    Why'd it take so long?
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    Steroid testing isn't very accurate? There wasn't a big push to have thorough and frequent testing until the Bonds/McGwire/etc. stuff in baseball in the mid 2000s?
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    Juicing never seems to actually help careers. Or at least blatant juicing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MRT144 View Post
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    Juicing never seems to actually help careers. Or at least blatant juicing.
    It helped Boston to a 98 catch, 1598 yard, 8 TD season. It was in that previous offseason that Boston put on 30+ lbs. He was a 6'2" 240+lb WR and decimated defenses that year.

    He got hurt the next year, went to San Diego where he quit on the struggling Chargers team, was suspended and injured again missing a full season, then saw limited action before being out of football.

    Had he not gotten hurt or a few things went differently, he might have continued to be monstrous on the field because of his sheer size.

    Consider, Mike Williams of Seattle is a big WR and he only weighs 235lbs on a 6'5" frame. Boston was 6'2" 240, all muscle, and still running 4.3 40's (I don't even want to know how slow Mike Williams is). Being a complete physical freak, even if it's steroid-induced, still has a lot of advantages in the pro game, I think. Boston's huge season is evidence of that.

    But it does seem that steroid use comes with susceptibility to injuries... it's interesting how the two former Chargers most known for steroid use (Boston and Shawne Merriman) suffered knee ligament tears (I'm no doctor but the extra, usually rapidly gained weight, probably puts too much pressure on the ligaments)... once those injuries start piling up, the player is never the same.
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    Merriman had knee issues prior to entering the NFL.
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    So Facebook does a "on this day in X year" thing referring to status updates.

    Mine for this day in 2009... I posted:
    "Solid performance by Sanchez; I'm telling yall: Mark Sanchez > Matt Stafford"

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    Other than a demonstrated ability to stay uninjured behind a great offensive line, I'm not sure that Sanchez has really shown himself to be better than Stafford yet...
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