Reply With QuoteSo, any tips on SA Vs Australia...
This rule should've been left alone. To assist the ref it would make more sense to apply the rules based on where the player is, rather than what they did.Under the old directives, an 'assister' in a double tackle was able to play the ball provided they stayed on their feet.
Now, that player has to release the ball carrier and can only then enter the breakdown through the 'gate' - from the assister's team's side, directly behind the ball and tackled player.
...people like to cry a lot... - Pekka
...we just argue without evidence, secure in our own superiority. - Snotty
So, any tips on SA Vs Australia...
It is my practice to be unintelligible.Originally Posted by LDiCesare
Some things are beyond me. Not many, but that's one of them.Finbar, can you change the skin of the law of rugby so we can finally understand them?
The Wallabies have to hope the Boks play their usual kick-at-all-costs game.So, any tips on SA Vs Australia...
Last edited by finbar; August 28, 2010 at 01:47. Reason: Who knows?
" ... and the following morning I should see the Boks wallop the Wallabies again?" - Havak
"The only thing worse than being quoted in someone's sig is not being quoted in someone's sig." - finbar, with apologies to Oscar Wilde.
They didn't. Truly a bizarre match. Some terrible defence and schoolboy blunders - hullo B. Habana, at least twice - balanced by some blinding backline skills. The Bok defence ultimately tightened, their forwards got on top, and the sheer speed of the game eventually had the Wallabies run out of puff at altitude. On the plus side, it looks like Will Genia is getting back to full fitness. On the other hand, the young Bok #9 proved yet again he has a ton of ability.
" ... and the following morning I should see the Boks wallop the Wallabies again?" - Havak
"The only thing worse than being quoted in someone's sig is not being quoted in someone's sig." - finbar, with apologies to Oscar Wilde.
What was it...8 tries in the first half? Insane pace...
I thought the Mitchell try should have been allowed. Not sure why the TMO didn't give it to him.
...people like to cry a lot... - Pekka
...we just argue without evidence, secure in our own superiority. - Snotty
TMO said it was grounded before the line not over it. I thought he grounded it on the line at worst.
" ... and the following morning I should see the Boks wallop the Wallabies again?" - Havak
"The only thing worse than being quoted in someone's sig is not being quoted in someone's sig." - finbar, with apologies to Oscar Wilde.
I agree. The first placing of the ball could be debated, but it definitely touched the line after he moved it up.
...people like to cry a lot... - Pekka
...we just argue without evidence, secure in our own superiority. - Snotty
Careful with the wording - you only get to 'place' the ball once. If he was taken to ground short he can place the ball forward to score but if he placed short he doesn't get a second go.
I didn't see the incident, or indeed the game, but that's the general situation - something else that requires a judgement call from refs.
The scoreline seems to suggest the current directives are indeed destroying defensive play?
It is better to keep silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt
There weren't two placements. He was taken to ground with the ball. He reached to place it. The TMO said he was short. Not many others thought so. The poor defence didn't have much to do with directives. It was just lazy, sloppy defence. Two of the Boks' early tries came from players ambling through gaping holes. Several of the early Wallaby tries admittedly came from astonishing speed and some superb backline coordination and handling. Then they went and ruined it by leaving gaping defensive holes.
I think you need an IRB ruling on not being allowed to watch these matches.
" ... and the following morning I should see the Boks wallop the Wallabies again?" - Havak
"The only thing worse than being quoted in someone's sig is not being quoted in someone's sig." - finbar, with apologies to Oscar Wilde.
My bad -when Cal said "after he moved it up" I smelled a double movement in the wind.
My memory is preventing me watching the 3N anyway - I probably need to tatoo the ko times on the inside of my eyelids.
Though I won't forget our game at Franklins on Sunday - skewed priorities on my part you see.
It is better to keep silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt
Of course. I notice they've signed Steve Mafi as a back-up lock from the Waratahs to cover the injury situation. Interesting player. Talented youngster, played for Australian Schoolboys I think, big things predicted, nothing seemed to eventuate. The Waratahs let him go at a time when they're struggling for locks, but that doesn't mean much. The Tahs are famous for ignoring talent. Ask the Brumbies. Still, he's only 20. He's the rangy mobile type rather than a man mountain. Built more like a flanker than a lock.
" ... and the following morning I should see the Boks wallop the Wallabies again?" - Havak
"The only thing worse than being quoted in someone's sig is not being quoted in someone's sig." - finbar, with apologies to Oscar Wilde.
Yep with Blaze and Parling out fairly long term cover there was looking a bit thin - Skivington, Deacon and Green were it for the senior squad. Good lads all but a couple of knocks would mean real problems. Should be Green's breakthrough year - I expect him to be pushing for England honours by the spring.
The other youngsters we expect big things fgrom are Manu Tuilagi and Sam Harrison (early days but Sam looks to be right up there with Youngs for potential).
It's possible the move may resurrect Mafi's career -Tigers is a good place to learn and ply your trade in the pack.
It is better to keep silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt
Deacon has a back problem and Crane an ankle problem so Waldrom and Mafi are likely to feature on Sunday. Franklins will be a baptism for them - not sure if either has come from somewhere where such full on local rivalries are a factor (Tigers and the Saints are basically just across the M1 from each other)?
Who would be Canterbury's local rival? And as for the Aussie franchices you have to hop on a plane to find your 'local' rivals.
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It is better to keep silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt
When I edit that post Sunday doesn't show twice. How bizarre.
It is better to keep silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt
Woohoo, Sale win the first game of the season against Newcastle.
That said, last season we beat Leicester in our first home game aswell. At least this time we got two tries...
Watching SA Vs Australia...15 minutes in, SA 3 - Australia 17
Habana needs to stop being drawn in and let the cover defense take that man whilst he gets the support runner.
My bets?
£5 on SA to win 1st half and Australia to win - 9-1
£5 on Australia on the winning margin of 6-10 at 9-1 and a cover bet of SA to win by 16-20 at 17-2.
I had considered a heavy bet on O'Connor to score a try in 80 minutes...but didn't...how foolish. Given how high scoring SA vs Australia can be a few bets on getting a try in the 80 isn't unreasonable.
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Okay, 25 minutes in and it is SA 6 - Australia 31 and it is looking unlikely any of my bets will work...but I've only myself to blame given I knew Australia would score tries as that backline is the best attack in world rugby. Defensively...they are vulnerable.
Another thing...why are the bookies still giving Habana such good odds on scoring tries...he hasn't been for ages.
Half-time in South Africa.
SA 13 - Australia 31
Wow, Matfield, breaks through from a ruck, chips the last man, collects and slips it to Fourie...beautiful.
Very entertaining game, for my money I need SA to get back within 6-10 points...but hell, this is worth £15 to watch
Well, Australia are on the rack and showing a complete inability to get hold of the ball or defend. Maybe my cover bet can come into play now...
54 minutes in it is SA 30, Australia 31 and SA have their tails up.
Well, what a finale. Australia down to 14 men, but have managed to get some points to get back into the lead.
6-7 minutes to go...SA 36 - Australia 38
77 minutes in...SA lead by a point.
I need an Ozzy try and conversion and no more passes to Beale's head.
No money for me
But, wow. A massive penalty kick at the death results in Australia winning...
It is South Africa 39 - Australia 41
Well, they showed slightly more character than last week, but honestly, the Wallabies are turning into soft front-runners. The first half Bok defence was tragic and they paid the price at 13-31 down. In the second half, the roles were reversed. The Boks attacked with passion but the defence was appalling. Quade Cooper, who I keep reading has improved his defence, was a turnstyle. The Wallabies lack hard heads, players to take control, organise and galvanise. Rocky Elsom doesn't seem capable of it. Faingaa, the replacement hooker, will be suspended for his idiotic spear tackle. He had the chance to pull out of it but didn't. Moron.
" ... and the following morning I should see the Boks wallop the Wallabies again?" - Havak
"The only thing worse than being quoted in someone's sig is not being quoted in someone's sig." - finbar, with apologies to Oscar Wilde.
Time to watch the ladies RWC Final
Lets hope England can be the first team to be even close to New Zealand in terms of quality.
Let's hope the girls can show that someone in England can play rugby. Leicester obviously can't. Or Gloucester for that matter.
" ... and the following morning I should see the Boks wallop the Wallabies again?" - Havak
"The only thing worse than being quoted in someone's sig is not being quoted in someone's sig." - finbar, with apologies to Oscar Wilde.
Our number 9 is rather chubby...she is bigger than alot of the pack and just got charged down.
11 minutes in. England under loads of pressure, 24 tackles to 7 for NZ. None missed so far
Our number 7 is playing really well.
24 minutes in, still 0 - 0. but NZ are down to 14 having their 45 year old no. 10 in the bin for too many penalties.
Some really good players on the England team, Waterman (15) and Alfonsi (7) are standing out.
Last edited by kittenOFchaos; September 5, 2010 at 12:49.
I dare you to call her chubby to her face.
" ... and the following morning I should see the Boks wallop the Wallabies again?" - Havak
"The only thing worse than being quoted in someone's sig is not being quoted in someone's sig." - finbar, with apologies to Oscar Wilde.
Okay, the reason our 9 is chunky is she used to be a hooker - interesting positional change.
NZ down to 13, another in the bin for offenses at the breakdown. NZ need Mrs McCaw.
If it is a face
Meh. Our resident tame grenouille is a hooker-turned-9 or 10 or vice versa.
" ... and the following morning I should see the Boks wallop the Wallabies again?" - Havak
"The only thing worse than being quoted in someone's sig is not being quoted in someone's sig." - finbar, with apologies to Oscar Wilde.
33 minutes in and NZ lead by 7. Hoepha scoring (leading try scorer in the tournament). NZ had 14 on the pitch at the time.
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