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Yeah I had to send my laptop back for RMAOriginally Posted by Asher
My gaming PC won't arrive til Aug 9th
I probably wasn't going to rush to get Starcraft though... I already have too many games as is that I haven't played enough (Company of Heroes, Europa Universalis, and Age of Empires 3... plus, Madden is about to come out). Then considering I'll start working and I really should study for the GMAT, there won't be much time for games
Actually, I still haven't finished my first play-through of Fallout 3, Far Cry 2, GTA IV, or Operation Flashpoint (which is a disappointing game)... I don't know how people do it. Mass Effect intrigues me but I just don't think I'll ever really be able to get around to playing it. Too many games, not enough time.
I was looking for reviews earlier today, and am delighted that I couldn't find any.
I was pretty certain that some jokers would have a race to be first to review it, and then not cover any of the game beyond the first half-hour, just so they could be first.
Mind you, I assume that if I was to look now, there will be a few up already.
I can only assume that Spike has bought this and is playing it, which would explain the weird feeling this thread has - no Spike posts!
There are no reviews - something to do with needing full B.net integration and the servers aren't live yet.
I'm watching with interest for the reviews and will almost certainly get it. Haven't played a PC game competitively for a few years though - should be interesting.
****ing Blizzard.
I tried to log in to my battle.net account (last time I did was the 1st year WoW was around). It claims I've an authenticator dongle (WTF? I've never bought one or had one) and I need to enter the code it displays to log in.
So then I go to battle.net to try to get help and the ****ing website is down? All it says is "www.weblogsinc.com"
"The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "
Given the general consensus that this is true, Starcraft made me realize I have come to dislike RTS games. If I couldn't like that one, what hope was there?
I guess Warcraft 2 used up all my interest in the genre.
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Your account was hacked, you'll most likely end up having to call Blizzard to get them to fix it. Or you could just create a new one, that really depends on how much you care about your account name I suppose.****ing Blizzard.
I tried to log in to my battle.net account (last time I did was the 1st year WoW was around). It claims I've an authenticator dongle (WTF? I've never bought one or had one) and I need to enter the code it displays to log in.
So then I go to battle.net to try to get help and the ****ing website is down? All it says is "www.weblogsinc.com"
I am in the process of downloading SCII right now, won't be able to play until tomorrow. No rush, I'm not a fan of RTS games, but Blizzard has a tendency to make games worth playing.
Starcraft is possibly a 'perfect' game in many respects as demonstrated by its longevity, balance, and fantastic scenario editor (I remember I used to play very little RTS Starcraft on battle.net but a lot of multiplayer scenarios that were RPG's, tower defence, shooters, or some other type of game like Zerg soccer; the variety of user-created content was amazing).
However, there are some problems with Starcraft. The emphasis on symmetrical maps is a little disappointing but understandable from the game balance perspective. Also, only two resources and a very simplistic tech tree also limit the game. And I know people like it, but I never got into the whole 'micro'-ing what are basically magic spells.
Before you dismiss the genre completely, I would check out Age of Empires II, Company of Heroes, and Rise of Nations (which I have not played although my understanding is that it's like an RTS version of Civ). Those three games are sufficiently different from Starcraft and also are representative of different types of RTS (ie- Company of Heroes is more tactical; Rise of Nations is longer and more complex; Age of Empires is a nice medium).
Boris, check it out. This is why Starcraft was such an incredible game!
SC2 Chess:
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SC2 Third-Person Shooter:
SC2 Tetris:
SC2 Top-Down Flying Shooter:
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SC2 Pac-Man:
What other game ever had so much incredible open-endedness for user created content?
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It was certainly not hacked. It looks like it was just a temporary service issue...at the same time battle.net's website was down. A couple hours later I could log in and it didn't ask for the authenticator.
"The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "
This game is azmazing, waitting for long, long time, since 1998 and is finally there
Hehe, this happens to me too... I halso have fallout 3, GTAIV and the first Starcraft started. they are all very good, but i havent finished them.Yeah I had to send my laptop back for RMA
I probably wasn't going to rush to get Starcraft though... I already have too many games as is that I haven't played enough (Company of Heroes, Europa Universalis, and Age of Empires 3... plus, Madden is about to come out). Then considering I'll start working and I really should study for the GMAT, there won't be much time for games
Actually, I still haven't finished my first play-through of Fallout 3, Far Cry 2, GTA IV, or Operation Flashpoint (which is a disappointing game)... I don't know how people do it. Mass Effect intrigues me but I just don't think I'll ever really be able to get around to playing it. Too many games, not enough time.
re Starcraft, I have played the human campaign several times. But then it switches to another race, and I must learn everything all over. Thats when I dont have time anymore! The exact same thing happened with warcraft III by the way!
and most likely it will happen with starcraft II
I feel your pain, but the pressure of limited time forces us to focus only on that which matters the most to us. It can be liberating dropping the excessive weight from your life, and embracing minimalist purity. You'll save money too, and have more time to spend on the things that are effortlessly absorbing.Yeah I had to send my laptop back for RMA
I probably wasn't going to rush to get Starcraft though... I already have too many games as is that I haven't played enough (Company of Heroes, Europa Universalis, and Age of Empires 3... plus, Madden is about to come out). Then considering I'll start working and I really should study for the GMAT, there won't be much time for games
Actually, I still haven't finished my first play-through of Fallout 3, Far Cry 2, GTA IV, or Operation Flashpoint (which is a disappointing game)... I don't know how people do it. Mass Effect intrigues me but I just don't think I'll ever really be able to get around to playing it. Too many games, not enough time.
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I played both AoEII and RoN, and also Empire Earth. After a little while playing them, I felt that they were basically the same as all the other RTS games I've played. The only "RTS" that grabbed my interest for long was EU2, and that's markedly different from the others, since you can slow the passing of time down, didn't have to do the annoying resource gathering and it had a robust diplomacy model.
I get why people enjoy RTS games, I'm not knocking them. I just am in the minority who would rather play a TBS game.
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I tried really hard to like Starcraft, but I simply can't.
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I'm in the minority with Boris - I love TBS but can't be bothered with RTS. Even if my mouse was fine and didn't keep skipping at random, I'd just be too slow with it. I'm quite happy to play throwaway stuff like FIFA and PES or fighting games on consoles and don't have a problem keeping up, but RTS has never appealed.
Can you buy a euro game but set it to the US?
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While they're different, they aren't *that* different. Have you tried skipping the Zerg and going straight to Protoss? I find the Zerg to be micromanagement hell, what with the twelve-unit group limit, the creep restrictions and the having to build new drones constantly to replace ones lost to buildings. Plus I just find them disgusting and uninteresting. The Protoss are much easier to manage, and cooler to boot.Hehe, this happens to me too... I halso have fallout 3, GTAIV and the first Starcraft started. they are all very good, but i havent finished them.
re Starcraft, I have played the human campaign several times. But then it switches to another race, and I must learn everything all over. Thats when I dont have time anymore! The exact same thing happened with warcraft III by the way!
and most likely it will happen with starcraft II
But then I, too, am just not fast enough to be any good at RTS. Even the AI for random games creams me. I play the scenarios and leave it at that.
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Another vote here for a general dislike of RTS. I can get into them for a while--RON was enjoyable for a time--but I find I have a hard time getting into even the most-praised games. (Sins of a Solar Empire isn't exactly blowing my socks off so far.)
"My nation is the world, and my religion is to do good." --Thomas Paine
"The subject of onanism is inexhaustable." --Sigmund Freud
Did anyone check out the videos I posted of genre-defying user-created content for Starcraft 2?
That's the real beauty of Starcraft. It's not JUST an RTS. You're buying a virtually unlimited number of games, of many different genres, for the price of one. What other game has had so much user modification as the Starcraft series? Not just skins or new units; Things like Starcraft as a top down shooter using the WASD keys to control your character.
And Elok, how is the Zerg micro-management hell but the Protoss are not? With the zerg, you just use mass wave tactics. For the Protoss you have to micromanage templars with their spells, Arbiters with their cloaking and teleporting abilities, you have to make sure your carriers are producing drones and your reavers are producing their missile things. The Protoss are the micro-management hell of Starcraft. They always have fewer units and you can never be competitive without micro-managing their technological magic. The only thing easier about them is the easy building of buildings.
In the missions, at least, such micromanagement is unnecessary for the Protoss. I generally don't bother with spellcasters of any kind, and as for reavers, I use them as little as possible. They're the one Protoss unit that's undeniably inferior to its equivalents. Versus Zerg, I've never needed spellcasters; they have no efficient counter to archons and have to swarm them with units, at a loss in my experience. They're a lot less hassle and far more durable than the HT they're made of. Plus archons are the one ground unit not vulnerable to broodlings, and they laugh at the plague. I think of them as "bug-zappers." Also valuable and requiring little MM: zealots, dark templars, dragoons, scouts, corsairs. Carriers are hardly MM, as they lose interceptors at a rate of roughly one every twenty minutes of gameplay. Order five, come back and order more in thirty seconds, you're done.
And mass wave tactics ARE micromanagement with the twelve-unit group limit and shoddy pathfinding AI. They jam up, get confused and go the wrong way at every ramp or chokepoint. The advantage of the Protoss is that twelve units have a lot more muscle, so you don't have to juggle ten groups. Also you're not constantly going back to order more after "expected losses."
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Well yeah if you don't use the spells the Protoss aren't micromanagement hell but from my experience, you can't be competitive in skirmish maps with the Protoss without using spells.
But you are right about having to manage several groups of Zerg because of the group limit. I would usually have numbers 1-5 assigned to 5 different groups of Zerglings, then 6 would be hydralisks, 7 would be some lurkers, and 8-9 would be mutalisks. It could get confusing sometimes.
Hey if anyone has SC2, can you confirm if you can play skirmish games against the computer? Like you pick a map, set AI opponents, and play? I want to make sure that the lack of single player Zerg/Protoss is only with regards to campaigns for those species, not that you can't play with them in skirmishes against the computer in single player (ie- not that the only way you can play as the Zerg is against people on battle.net)
Yes you can play as the Zerg or Protoss in single player skirmishes.
Just got home from helping a friend move and haven't had much time to play yet. Way past time for bed.
So did anyone actually play it? I want to know if there are many stupid missions where you have no base, can't build stuff but need to run around just with a handfull of guys to fulfill some tasks - I don't like these at all.
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I actually always preferred missions like this. It's more realistic than the RTS standard of building a base and training units and it's considerably more tactical. Fixed force missions.
Actually no I havent! That is probably a good idea.
However, today I bought SC2, so I get to start with terran. For the first time evfer, I am not a total newbie when I start the game, and graphics have improved a bit sine 1998 ;-)
So far, I like it a lot. So I better get back right away :-)
I'm ten missions in and only the first mission was like that. It was more of a tutorial than anything else.
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