A Music Thread

[Al B. Sure!]

I'm no fan of Monica but what the hell?

This is the real song... it's COMPLETELY different. The original was a Kanye West production.



And this was the original that Kanye sampled to make that:




It's actually a little amusing how a song by The Masqueraders became a modern Rap/R&B song then a techno song although it's unrecognizable as the techno one.

[C0ckney]

here's some goa trance from someone i used to rave about years ago, but i don't think i've posted any of his stuff in the music threads for people to actually listen to.



man with no name - floor essence (dayglo remix)



man with no name - sugar rush (raw kane mix)



man with no name - parallel universe

[Al B. Sure!]

This song isn't the greatest but I'm a little amused by the video... It's a music video for the hearing impaired



Rap sign language

Strange, right?

I mean would deaf people have any interest in this?

The other rapper, Chink Santana, has censored lyrics, too. I wonder if the sign language was censored too

[C0ckney]

I'm no fan of Monica but what the hell?

This is the real song... it's COMPLETELY different. The original was a Kanye West production.

yeah i heard the original before, thank heavens for planet funk saving it! and it's not a techno song, it's clearly house.

music for the deaf, yeah i can see that one taking off...

[Al B. Sure!]

Did you like the original original by the Masqueraders?

I'm amused by how derivative electronic music is now I'll remember this on any criticisms about hip hop samples.

[Al B. Sure!]

Another great music video by an up-and-comer from Meridian, Mississippi.



The scene in the second verse where he's rapping in the auditorium with the broom has got to give you chills.

"Besides, I didn't rap about dope nor sell it, I guess the story of a country boy aint compelling"


I'm intrigued by how youtube has made music videos de facto singles now. Every new rapper has a dozens and dozens of videos. I note how Cockney never posts any videos. Why the difference in marketing between underground electronic music and hip hop?

[C0ckney]

the masqueraders, i mean it's ok as far as it goes, but it's really not my sort of thing.

if you remember, i was one of the people who defended sampling as a means of creation, i only attacked bad sampling...

[Al B. Sure!]

Oh yeah and speaking of videos, my boy the one I told you about, he just released his new video:

[Al B. Sure!]

Not as high budget as Nyle's, here's two more from dudes I know.

This is my young boy from way back. We got some songs in the works.




And this my homie's cousin. Going to try to get down with him sometime soon, too.

[C0ckney]

in response to your edit. it depends on the genre, like for example from stuff i've posted on this page, laura j martin, melodica, melody and me and malcolm middleston (this was in fact a christmas single ) all have videos. most bands will still use videos as a means of promotion for singles. for the older stuff or album tracks, videos either don't exist, have been lost in the mists of time or it can be simply that no one has bothered to upload the videos to youtube. also i have a preference for non-videoed tracks, because i have a fairly slow connection.

i would say that the difference between electronic artists and hip hop artists is down to several factors. hip hop artists are trying to present an image as well as the music, so they want their face all over and to have that kind of recognition. it's a marketing tool and having a cool video allows them to stand out from the crowd. hip hip is today is a mass marketed product, rappers are celebrities and so people want to know about them and their stories as well as the music. having videos with your face all over them gets you recognised.

credibility in the electronic music world essentially comes from club play rather than anything else. most people who are into that sort of music don't care about the people making it. this is not true in all cases but generally it is. i couldn't tell you what my favourite producers look like, unless i have seen them play or met them in some other way. techno and house producers don't sell a lot of records, they sell mostly to djs and other people who are really into the scene, so there's no point in spending money to promote something which isn't going to sell a lot anyway. their market is better reached via other means. there are exceptions to this of course, someone like david guetta is expecting to have a no 1 hit and so will create a video to promote his record and get play on MTV etc.

[Al B. Sure!]

Yeah that makes sense. And typically that music is only heard in a club context. Most people I don't think (you are an obvious exception ) don't go on youtube and sit there listening to an electronic music song. I'm curious about this because obviously, I'm getting interested in the promotion aspect.

[C0ckney]

while people listen to it in other places (working out, driving, smoking it up etc.), it is mostly club music.

having thought about it a little more, i can think of a few other reasons too. for example, if you want to make a simple video, you can just have your band playing the song or a rapper rapping and there's your video. what do you do if you're a producer, a video of yourself fiddling with a kick drum sample? it's not quite the same! also most bands (and presumably rappers) tend to be around 'creative types' who help with stuff like videos, whereas producers tend to be guys who sit in their bedrooms.

[Al B. Sure!]

while people listen to it in other places (working out, driving, smoking it up etc.), it is mostly club music.

having thought about it a little more, i can think of a few other reasons too. for example, if you want to make a simple video, you can just have your band playing the song or a rapper rapping and there's your video. what do you do if you're a producer, a video of yourself fiddling with a kick drum sample? it's not quite the same! also most bands (and presumably rappers) tend to be around 'creative types' who help with stuff like videos, whereas producers tend to be guys who sit in their bedrooms.

Well that's where video creativity and a story would come in.

I can think of plenty of videos that portray things besides the rapper/singer/band performing. I mean electronic producers could treat their videos like little short films featuring their music in the background. For example, from what I've seen of Kanye's movie, honestly, his rapping was a bit of a distraction to it. The scenes with just his beat seemed to work better.

As for the sitting in their bedrooms I do imagine there's a lot less collaboration in electronic music, as well. That's the one thing about rap. You live off of collaborations with other rappers, singers, possibly a band, producers, DJ's, etc. There are very few if any rap artists who are purely independent as in they make all their content themselves.


I don't know, man. You make electronic music. Maybe you should break the mold and borrow a line from these other genres. A video in Brazil would be a hot setting.

[Al B. Sure!]

The way I see it, youtube has made video promotion an absolute necessity. That's what I told my boy who raps as "Young L" in that one I just posted... make a video for like every song. It doesn't have to be anything fancy but videos are the key to promotion in this youtube age.

Like they say MTV is dead... yeah it is but the music video is more important than ever now.

Break the mold, Our Man In Brasil

[C0ckney]

as i said, it's not really worth the time and money for a lot of producers to do this. i mean for myself i wouldn't be opposed to it, because it's just another part of the creative process, but i can see why people don't do it. also, i'm famous among my friends for not having a camera and never taking photographs. i've got a few ideas for music videos actually, although nothing i've made is good enough to warrant a video yet. for example my house is at the top of a massive hill and you need to take a mototaxi (i.e. you sit on the back of a motorbike) to reach it. you could do a video from the back of the moto taking in everything going on in the favela as you travel upwards, which would be pretty cool. i'd need to ask the dealers permission to film but i don't think it would be a problem.

you do get some more respectable acts doing videos for electronic music songs. you saw it more in the late 90s/early 2000s when there was more hit potential for that sort of sound. here's an example



slam feat. ann sanderson - lie to me

i watched those videos you posted as well. quite liked the music from 2 of them but wasn't too fused with young l.

[Al B. Sure!]

Yeah that's what I mean. See something like that could definitely be done more. And in the past, making a video was cost prohibitive for underground acts and it was pointless because there was no easily accessed means of distribution; you couldn't just get your video on MTV for example. Things are completely different now with youtube. I would think electronic music makers would be on the ball with this. It makes more sense now than ever before.

And yeah man. Brazil is a unique place that people would love to see in a video, especially that setup you described.

[SlowwHand]

[C0ckney]

pinch - get up feat. yolanda

[Nikolai]

Just listening to this song on Spotify. Great song.



Spotify link: http://open.spotify.com/track/0wuuiVOnUygxKvN3Aq0qqU

[Al B. Sure!]

Nikolai is posting Christian rock


I probably posted this before when the song came out but **** it... Lupe



"One in the air for the people that ain’t here
Two in the air for the father that’s there
Three in the air for the kids in the ghetto
Four for the kids who don’t wanna be there
None for the n-ggas trying to hold them back
Five in the air for the teacher not scared
to tell those kids thats living in the ghetto that the n-ggas holdin back that the World is theirs!"

"For these ghetto girls and boys im rapping round the world for!
Africa to New York, Haiti then I detour, Oakland out to Auckland
Gaza Strip to Detroit, say hip-hop only destroy
Tell em look at me, boy!"

Preach, Lupe

[Nikolai]

Nikolai is posting Christian rock

Is that a problem? I listen to Metallica too from time to time.

[Zoetstofzoetje]

Norsk arysk black metal!!

[Nikolai]

*arisk

And while I have a very diverse music taste, that music is not my style. I love harder rock like modern prog rock though. Neal Morse, Transatlantic, Spock's Beard, Karmakanic......

[Al B. Sure!]

Is that a problem? I listen to Metallica too from time to time.

Metallica is 10x worse than that Christian rock song in my mind. I'm no fan of the headbanging loudness of rock music.

[Nikolai]

I have a diverse taste. But what was wrong with the song above? Just that it was Christian, that it was too heavy(hard to imagine, but still)? I enjoy your music very much, more than most posted here, but sometimes one need some real kicking music. The one above was pretty non-hard though.

[Nikolai]

Very good, especially from 1.11 and onwards.

[Nikolai]

Again, from a little over 1 min it really takes off.

[Nikolai]

If you want a really relaxed, slow song of awesomeness, look no further.

[Al B. Sure!]

I have a diverse taste. But what was wrong with the song above? Just that it was Christian, that it was too heavy(hard to imagine, but still)? I enjoy your music very much, more than most posted here, but sometimes one need some real kicking music. The one above was pretty non-hard though.

No it was the praise/inspiration stuff that was rough for me. Not the sound itself. If I didn't know English and didn't know what they were saying, I would like it better.

I don't dislike Christian music exactly... it's just that it's a knock on it for me. I don't know if you understand the English expression.

Like I like the following song by an otherwise secular singer... if he made an all-gospel album, though, ehh... it just would be a knock on it but since I like his voice and music in general, I'd probably still listen to it but it would come second to his secular stuff.

Now when it's already a genre I'm iffy about (rock) and it's Christian well that's two knocks on it and I'd probably say no thanks.




Oh and listening to the Transatlantic stuff... so far it sounds pretty good

[SlowwHand]