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    Quote Originally Posted by Thue View Post
    Nothing can compare with Internet explorer 8! Get the facts! http://www.microsoft.com/windows/int...omparison.aspx

    [This news bulletin brought to you by the Iraqi Information minister, now working at Microsoft]
    Hahaha... I spilled a beer when I saw that.

    Anyone from Australia wants to win 10,000 dollars? http://www.microsoft.com/australia/ie8/competition/

    Be sure to visit that site with different browsers
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thue View Post
    Nothing can compare with Internet explorer 8! Get the facts! http://www.microsoft.com/windows/int...omparison.aspx

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    Crap.
    I wanted to post just that.

    that is HILARIOUS!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hueij View Post
    http://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/Implemen...n_Web_browsers

    Video in FF, Opera and whathaveyou? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compari...ngines_(HTML_5)

    Anyway, like I said, come back in 5 years time.
    What the **** is the point of this post? To illustrate how Opera spent time implementing the LEAST IMPORTANT parts of HTML5 that don't offer jack **** to most users (webforms).

    It's a demonstrable fact that many of the real HTML5 features are implemented in browsers other than Opera and are, in fact, being used.

    HTML5 is essential to gmail mobile for instance.

    No, no browser has all HTML5 features but it doesn't ****ing matter. No browsers have all of CSS2 or CSS3 either, BUT THEY ARE STILL USED.

    Opera fanboys are the worst. Come to reality and get used to it.

    Opera is missing:
    - VIDEO
    - AUDIO
    - CLIENT-SIDE STORAGE
    - DRAG AND DROP
    - A COMPETENT CANVAS IMPLEMENTATION

    That is, it is missing the best and most useful parts of HTML5...and the parts being used today.

    But leave it to the Opera fanboy to talk about how it implements the web forms PATTERN, MIN, and MAX ATTRIBUTES because that will REVOLUTIONIZE THE WEB.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AAHZ View Post
    also FireFox is a sluggish, sloth of a memory-hog browser with a complicated interface, corrupt plugins, and unfixable flash errors
    You're a monumental retard.

    Firefox's interface is complicated?

    And plugins and flash have **** all to do with Firefox.

    Holy ****ing ****. You and Hejeidja need to get on a boat and sail out to the middle of the ocean and have a circle jerk to 1950s vintage porn, because you are both utterly useless in the real world.

    For the final nail in the coffin, FIREFOX USES FAR LESS MEMORY THAN CHROME.
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    What versions are you using?

    Given that you like music a 3 year old would reject, and given your major mental retardation that is evident to everyone, I strongly suspect you don't know what you're talking about.
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    Each tab in chrome gets it's own process... so you have to add them up. I like chrome because it's vertical viewing area is better than FF or IE (7 or 8) with full functionality of the UI. (It would be no contest if they could just put a little folder icon on the toolbar for bookmarks, rather than having them available on the always useless waste of space bookmark bar.)

    Though... I really don't like Google's take on updating (Chrome and Google Earth among others) where system services are installed and always running. Stop the processes and they just come back. And if you go uninstall google update, it still runs. You can disable the startup entries, and it still runs. You can disable the services, and it still runs. You have to do both and disable the schedualed tasks... and then you can't get updates when you want them either... so your choice is to let google decide when you update (always using system resources), or no updates (at least not without a major hassle)... a complete ****ing joke...
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    I used to have Opera installed as my back up browser but found it so useless I uninstalled it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Asher View Post
    ...Hejeidja...]
    Should I change my nick?

    My point is that as long most people won't be able to see your fab HTML5 content, it's stupid to ***** about what browser is better.

    I liked you better when you were just a stupid MS/IE fanboy...
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    Asher was never an IE fanboy, at least since Firefox came out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kuciwalker View Post
    Asher was never an IE fanboy, at least since Firefox came out.
    Hahahahahahaha!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hueij View Post
    Should I change my nick?

    My point is that as long most people won't be able to see your fab HTML5 content, it's stupid to ***** about what browser is better.
    I use HTML5 content daily.

    That's the point. It's here, it's being used by millions -- particularly in the mobile sector, which is supposedly Opera's strong suit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kuciwalker View Post
    Asher was never an IE fanboy, at least since Firefox came out.
    IE6 was far superior to Mozilla, Netscape 4.x, and Opera 5/6/7.

    Heujajin has been an Opera fanboy since the thing came out. His loyalties remained with Opera as the seas changed in the browser markets many times.

    Opera is and will always be irrelevant.
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    Nope.



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    http://dotnetperls.com/chrome-memory

    Browsers and their memory usages.

    Chrome is by far the worst, Opera is 2nd worst.

    Firefox was always the best in terms of low memory usage.

    Chrome peaked at over 1.2 GIGABYTES of memory. Firefox peaked at 327MB, Opera at 554MB.
    Chrome averaged 543MB, Firefox 166MB, Opera 347MB.


    ALSO: I used another HTML5-enabled site today, Flickr...they have an awesome "photos taken near here" geolocation feature.

    Opera does not support it.

    Opera also does not support color profiles like Firefox, Safari, Chrome.
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    I still don't know enough technically but there has been criticism of their comparison method:

    http://www.ghacks.net/2009/06/21/web...-it-all-wrong/

    The results of the web browser memory usage benchmark were then divided into three chars displaying the maximum, average and final memory used by each of the tested web browsers. The Mozilla Firefox web browser used the lowest amount of computer memory of all tested web browsers while the Google Chrome browser showed very high maximum and average memory usage.

    And here is where the tester got it wrong. To compute the memory usage all processes where taken into consideration which effectively meant double-counting the shared memory for each process. As the Chromium blog points out:

    If you’re measuring memory in a multi-process application like Google Chrome, don’t forget to take into account shared memory. If you add the size of each process via the Windows XP task manager, you’ll be double counting the shared memory for each process. If there are a large number of processes, double-counting can account for 30-40% extra memory size.

    To make it easy to summarize multi-process memory usage, Google Chrome provides the “about:memory” page which includes a detailed breakdown of Google Chrome’s memory usage and also provides basic comparisons to other browsers that are running.



    Google Chrome’s result would still be higher than that of Firefox even after the adjustments but this is one of the trade-offs of a multi-process browser (which Google Chrome is). You would get the same result with Microsoft’s Internet Explorer 8 if the tester would have tested that web browser as well. This was apparently not possible due to technical difficulties.

    Another aspect that needs to be mentioned is the test result of the Opera web browser. Opera is using an automatic setting called Automatic RAM Cache that is enabled by default. This allocated about 10% of the computer memory by default and should be disabled in memory benchmarks. Opera would most likely still have been beaten by Firefox but the gap would probably have been lower.

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    No matter how you slice it, Chrome uses more.
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    Nice, didn't know about automatic RAM cache. Thanks, Siro.

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    Quote Originally Posted by onodera View Post
    Nice, didn't know about automatic RAM cache. Thanks, Siro.
    The author of the blog is mildly retarded as Firefox has had the same feature since 2.0.

    browser.cache.memory.capacity to change its size.

    No idea where he got the idea that only Opera has a memory cache.

    For a system with 4GB of RAM, as the tester, Firefox reserves 58MB for memory cache by default. That is included in the test. This is actually slightly more than Opera reserves.
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    This thread made me realize that I had installed a version of Opera as a backup browser a while back. So I decided to go on and uninstall that POS browser.

    Thanks Asher
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    I have every browser possible installed on my work laptop (including IE6 & 7 via virtual PCs). When testing a major new website for my company, I was looking at how the pages rendered in all the browsers...there were some major bugs with Opera, but none of the others. I asked if we should fix them, and they laughed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Asher View Post
    The author of the blog is mildly retarded as Firefox has had the same feature since 2.0.

    browser.cache.memory.capacity to change its size.

    No idea where he got the idea that only Opera has a memory cache.

    For a system with 4GB of RAM, as the tester, Firefox reserves 58MB for memory cache by default. That is included in the test. This is actually slightly more than Opera reserves.
    Author claims Opera always has it around 10% of available RAM (which is probably a crappy decision). I recall FF has steps, and they are smaller.

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