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    And it's not like he is a fan of the Lego series.

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    Worse...he's into Transformers.

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    I'd say that's broadly even.

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    Lego is demonstrably cooler than Transformers. Lego is about building blocks and engineering fundamentals, Transformers are about toys.

    People who do vacuous things like play with Transformers toys go on to become actors and economists. People who do more cerebral things like build with lego go on to become rock star computer scientists and engineers.

    This is a demonstrable fact.

    Now I'm going to do your job for you since you cannot do it: stop threadjacking this thread or I will ban you for 24hrs.

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    It's on topic since you posted a quote that made a reference to Lego games. You're just touchy because you know they are a casual gamer's game and you lurve them.

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    Funny that Asher calls Spikie's posting OT considering his own OT post right before.

    Anyway, someone who knows if there is going to be a Xbox360 v2 in a year? First one MS employee says no, then one says yes, then one of the bosses says yes, then another boss says no.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nikolai View Post
    Funny that Asher calls Spikie's posting OT considering his own OT post right before.
    You are so very sharp sometimes!

    Anyway, someone who knows if there is going to be a Xbox360 v2 in a year? First one MS employee says no, then one says yes, then one of the bosses says yes, then another boss says no.
    Yes and no.

    The Xbox 360 hardware will not change. The design of the console will be slimmer and it'll be bundled with the Natal controller, potentially with a new branding.

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    I think that's right. The MS messaging on this has been very poor.

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    Of course it's right, DrSpike. It doesn't take an economist to see the obvious.

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    NPD June '09

    PlayStation 2 152.7K
    PlayStation 3 164.7K
    Xbox 360 240.6K
    Wii 361.7K


    PROTOTYPE 360 ACTIVISION BLIZZARD June-09 419.9K
    UFC 2009:UNDISPUTED 360 THQ May-09 338.3K
    EA SPORTS ACTIVE BUNDLE WII ELECTRONIC ARTS May-09 289.1K
    TIGER WOODS PGA TOUR 10* WII ELECTRONIC ARTS June-09 272.4K
    WII FIT WII NINTENDO OF AMERICA May-08 271.6K
    FIGHT NIGHT ROUND 4 360 ELECTRONIC ARTS June-09 260.8K
    FIGHT NIGHT ROUND 4 PS3 ELECTRONIC ARTS June-09 210.3K
    MARIO KART W/WHEEL WII NINTENDO OF AMERICA April-08 202.1K
    RED FACTION:GUERRILLA 360 THQ June-09 199.4K
    INFAMOUS PS3 SONY May-09 192.7K

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    Gap between Xbox 360 and Wii continues to rapidly shrink...

    Year over year:

    PlayStation 2 -1%
    PlayStation 3 -59%
    Xbox 360 +9%
    Wii -46%

    That's eight straight months of year over year declines for the PS3. The PSP is also down 55%, if anyone even cares.
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    Info on the 360 Software update coming this summer:

    Netflix Updates

    Now you can watch movies with your friends no matter where they are and manage your queue from the comfort of your couch.

    Movie Parties – Xbox LIVE Gold members can sit together in a virtual theater with up to seven friends no matter where they are while your Avatars watch a movie, flirt or even throw popcorn at each other.
    Manage Your Queue – Browse the Netflix Instant Watch video catalogue, choose from the most popular movies and genres and add to your queue all from the comfort of your couch – no computer required.
    Enhanced Playback Experience – Enjoy a smooth viewing experience when your internet bandwidth fluctuates.
    Friends Info – Richer information is now displayed in the Friends channel and in the Guide showing what you and your friends are doing.
    Avatar Marketplace

    Express yourself! Deck your Avatar out with the latest clothing and props from the top brands and game franchises. Please note that only limited content is currently available in the preview.

    Clothing

    Download premium items, including branded apparel from your favorite fashion labels and Xbox 360 games such as "Halo."

    Props – You can now equip your avatar with animated items they can carry around and interact with.
    Awardables – The ability to earn Avatar clothing and props as rewards within games has been added. Please stay tuned for an update on supporting titles.
    Games on Demand -- Please note that Games on Demand will be available in the preview beginning early August.

    Enjoy 24 x 7 access to a growing online library of popular full game titles on Xbox LIVE whenever you want them, in the comfort of your living room.

    Purchase Options – Browse and download a great selection of full Xbox 360 games using Microsoft Points, direct debit, or credit card.
    Game Manuals – Game manuals for Games on Demand titles can be viewed, downloaded or printed on Xbox.com.
    It's Yours Forever! – As with other Xbox LIVE content, Games on Demand titles are linked to your Xbox LIVE account, so you can delete and re-download anything you have already purchased to the same console or another console.
    User Ratings

    User ratings help you find games that other people think are awesome!

    Rate it – You can now rate every game on the Xbox LIVE Games Marketplace using a 5-star system.
    Sort and Find it – Now you can easily find the games that everyone's been raving about by visiting the Top Rated games in the Browse All category of Xbox LIVE Games Marketplace.
    Xbox LIVE Parties

    Everyone loves to Party! Check out the new and improved Xbox LIVE Party features.

    Party Reconnections – If you are accidently disconnected from your party, Xbox LIVE will automatically reconnect you.
    Streamlined Party Invites – Invites are now just one click away! No need to click through multiple screens to get all your friends together.
    Video Display Options

    We've made it easier for you to see your entertainment in the highest resolution possible on your TV using an HDMI connection.

    Display Discovery – Make sure you can see and hear your entertainment in the highest resolution and sound quality possible with the option to override and select audio and video formats independent of the information your television sends to your Xbox 360 console.
    Other Improvements

    We're always listening to you for feedback, and this Xbox LIVE update will include numerous dashboard updates.

    Gold Member Veterans – Xbox LIVE Gold members get to show it off with a stamp on your Gamer Card that tells people how long you've been a Gold member.
    Indie Games – Xbox LIVE Community Games has been renamed Xbox LIVE Indie Games. We feel this new name better represents the independent spirit of these titles.
    Achievement Browser – We've revamped the Achievements browser so it's now easier to read through all the achievements while playing a game. You can now also launch a game directly from the browser.
    Achievements Tracking – A new view inside the profile panel which includes a summary of Achievements earned across all the games played, and shows of all your completed games.
    Streamlined Navigation - Streamlined navigation, including new entry points in the dashboard for Active Downloads, redeeming codes, recovering Gamertags and more.
    Voice Messages – No more blank voice messages! When recording a voice message, a warning will pop up if no audio is detected.
    Friends List Sorting – It's now easier to find your friends! Find and sort your friends by activity, Gamertag or online status by pressing the Y button while viewing the friends list in the Guide.
    Memory – Time stamps now appear in the memory area, which particular handy when managing saved games.

    Account Management

    We've made some changes to make your life easier.

    Subscription Notification – If your Xbox LIVE subscription is about to run out, you will now be notified when you sign into Xbox LIVE.
    Updates for Invalid Windows Live IDs – If the Windows Live ID you provided has expired, you will now be prompted to update it the next time you sign into Xbox LIVE.
    Account recovery – We've enhanced the account recovery process to make it faster and more reliable.
    What does this Xbox LIVE Update not include?

    The following features will be coming in future Xbox LIVE updates, which we'll be sure to let you know about.

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    More info:

    Xbox LIVE paid downloads from Jan-June grew 73% over last year.

    Other notable numbers:
    PS3 RED FACTION: GUERRILLA 67,486
    PS3 KILLZONE 2 26,696
    360 HALO 3 62,546
    360 CALL OF DUTY 4: MODERN WARFARE GOTY ED 71,175
    360 GHOSTBUSTERS: THE VIDEO GAME 192,298
    360 CALL OF JUAREZ: BOUND IN BLOOD 23,684
    360 GEARS OF WAR 2 21,516
    WII THE CONDUIT 71,913


    PS3 FIGHT NIGHT ROUND 4 210,335
    PS3 INFAMOUS 192,674
    PS3 UFC 2009 UNDISPUTED 187,895
    PS3 PROTOTYPE 179,210
    PS3 GHOSTBUSTERS: THE VIDEO GAME 103,413
    PS3 TIGER WOODS PGA TOUR 10 96,539
    PS3 RED FACTION: GUERRILLA 67,486
    PS3 CALL OF DUTY: WORLD AT WAR 38,798
    PS3 MLB '09: THE SHOW 38,000
    PS3 CALL OF DUTY 4: MODERN WARFARE GOTY ED 37,149
    PS3 BLAZBLUE: CALAMITY TRIGGER 36,570
    PS3 TRANSFORMERS: REVENGE OF THE FALLEN 35,351
    PS3 KILLZONE 2 26,696
    PS3 RESIDENT EVIL 5 23,267
    PS3 X-MEN ORIGINS: WOLVERINE UNCAGED ED 22,359
    PS3 FIFA SOCCER 09 21,209
    PS3 GUITAR HERO: SMASH HITS 20,909

    WII EA SPORTS ACTIVE BUNDLE 289,083
    WII FIT W/ BALANCE BOARD 271,556
    WII TIGER WOODS PGA TOUR 10 MOTION PLUS BUNDLE 204,899
    WII MARIO KART W/ WHEEL 202,137
    WII PUNCH OUT!! 148,754
    WII PLAY W/ REMOTE 146,149
    WII THE CONDUIT 71,913
    WII GHOSTBUSTERS: THE VIDEO GAME 71,899
    WII TIGER WOODS PGA TOUR 10 67,523
    WII LEGO STAR WARS: COMPLETE SAGA 60,000
    WII GRAND SLAM TENNIS 54,379
    WII LINK'S CROSSBOW TRAINING W/ ZAPPER 47,619
    WII BOOM BLOX BASH PARTY 47,288
    WII SUPER SMASH BROS: BRAWL 44,098
    WII INDIANA JONES AND THE STAFF OF KINGS 40,042
    WII UP 39,194
    WII LEGO INDIANA JONES: THE ORIGINAL ADVENTURES 38,528
    WII STAR WARS: THE FORCE UNLEASHED 36,627
    WII GUITAR HERO: SMASH HITS 35,827
    WII LEGO BATMAN 32,817
    WII TRANSFORMERS: REVENGE OF THE FALLEN 30,895
    WII MARIO PARTY 8 29,341
    WII GOLD'S GYM CARDIO WORKOUT 27,595
    WII MY SIMS RACING 26,683
    WII CALL OF DUTY: WORLD AT WAR 26,563
    WII ROCK BAND 2 SPECIAL ED 26,158
    WII MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL 2K9 26,081
    WII NEW PLAY CONTROL! MARIO POWER TENNIS 26,019
    WII SUPER MARIO GALAXY 24,114
    WII GUITAR HERO WORLD TOUR W/BAND KIT 22,453
    WII GUITAR HERO METALLICA 21,581
    WII MARIO SUPER SLUGGERS 21,537
    WII DECA SPORTS 21,030
    WII MY FITNESS COACH 20,342

    360 PROTOTYPE 419,863
    360 UFC 2009 UNDISPUTED 338,278
    360 FIGHT NIGHT ROUND 4 260,817
    360 RED FACTION: GUERRILLA 199,380
    360 GHOSTBUSTERS: THE VIDEO GAME 192,298
    360 TIGER WOODS PGA TOUR 10 133,321
    360 CALL OF DUTY: WORLD AT WAR 88,589
    360 CALL OF DUTY 4: MODERN WARFARE GOTY ED 71,175
    360 HALO 3 62,546
    360 NBA 2K9 61,400
    360 MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL 2K9 58,916
    360 TRANSFORMERS: REVENGE OF THE FALLEN 58,829
    360 GUITAR HERO: SMASH HITS 43,139
    360 OVERLORD 2 38,772
    360 FALLOUT 3 OPERATION ANCHORAGE AND THE PITT EXPANSION PACK 38,559
    360 LEFT 4 DEAD GOTY ED 35,141
    360 FABLE II 31,796
    360 X-MEN ORIGINS: WOLVERINE UNCAGED ED 30,878
    360 ELDER SCROLLS IV: OBLIVION GOTY ED 29,201
    360 GRAND THEFT AUTO IV 29,176
    360 BLAZBLUE: CALAMITY TRIGGER 28,905
    360 FALLOUT 3 28,404
    360 HALO WARS 26,346
    360 RESIDENT EVIL 5 25,796
    360 FIFA SOCCER 09 25,431
    360 STAR WARS: THE FORCE UNLEASHED 24,191
    360 CALL OF JUAREZ: BOUND IN BLOOD 23,684
    360 SACRED 2: FALLEN ANGEL 22,163
    360 GEARS OF WAR 2 21,516
    360 LEFT 4 DEAD 21,316
    360 PRINCE OF PERSIA 20,756
    360 GUITAR HERO METALLICA 20,076

    PSP MONSTER HUNTER FREEDOM UNITE 68,768
    PSP ROCK BAND UNPLUGGED 37,480
    PSP GOD OF WAR: CHAINS OF OLYMPUS 35,144
    PSP X-MEN ORIGINS: WOLVERINE 28,384
    PSP MLB '09: THE SHOW 27,575
    PSP UP 26,328
    PSP GRAND THEFT AUTO: LIBERTY CITY STORIES 25,370
    PSP STAR WARS: THE FORCE UNLEASHED 25,294
    PSP TRANSFORMERS: REVENGE OF THE FALLEN 25,150
    PSP MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL 2K9 20,956
    PSP RESISTANCE: RETRIBUTION 20,901
    PSP CRISIS CORE: FINAL FANTASY VII 20,458

    152 games in the leak, all over 20k

    NDS:42
    Wii:34
    360:32
    PS3:17
    PS2:15
    PSP:12

    Overall
    360 > Wii > DS > PS3 > PS2 > PSP

    1st Party:
    Wii > DS > PS3 > 360 > PSP > PS2

    3rd Party:
    360 > Wii > PS3 > DS > PS2 > PSP
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    360 doing really well it seems - and it should catch up even more when some decent games actually start coming out later this year.

    Good that MS seem to be consistently innovating even though Live is already so much better than the other online services.

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    The ps3 software sales are just terrible. other than the cod games and mlb, absolutely nothing with legs (even just to 2008), even the exclusives. Killzone 2 is just a disaster, holy cow. I would love to see the npd charts 2.5 yrs after the ps2 launch for an ugly comparison.

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    Xbox live needs more games like BF 1943. Straight multiplayer at 1/4 the cost of a normal game.
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    Nintendo's profits are down 66% on rapidly slumping Wii sales...
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    How are MS doing? I read that they sell more but earn less.
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    MS' Xbox division's revenues were down 12% year over year, but their loss was smaller compared to last year (indicating costs were lower) for the quarter.

    They shipped 11.2 million Xbox 360 consoles during fiscal year 2009, which is up compared with 8.7 million Xbox 360 consoles during fiscal year 2008. They're in the black also $169M in profit the past 12 months.
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    As for Sony, well..."cratering" is accurate.

    http://news.cnet.com/8301-10797_3-10...orsPicksArea.0

    PS3 and PSP slump, Wii hammered too

    Sony latest earnings show that it continues to be hammered by the worldwide recession and strong yen, suffering a net loss of $390.5 million in the quarter that ended June 30.

    The bright spot was Sony's motion picture division, which saw a 6.5 percent boost that was largely attributable to the relatively strong showing of "Angels & Demons" at the box office. But almost everything else, including TV, video game, and computer sales, was down in a big way.

    In an article, The New York Times highlighted the 37.4 percent year-over-year slump in gaming and computer sales (Vaio PC). The article noted that PlayStation 3 game consoles were "particularly sluggish" and that software sales had dropped.

    According to the report, Sony said it sold about 1.1 million PlayStation 3s and 1.3 million PlayStation Portables in the latest quarter, compared with 1.6 million PS3s and 3.7 million PSPs in the same period a year ago.

    The wane in PSP sales is particularly brutal, although part of that slowdown may have been due to rumors earlier in the quarter that Sony would release a new PSP later in the year. (And sure, enough, the PSP Go was unveiled in June at E3.) Also, the constant spate of rumors involving the potential arrival of a new PS3 Slim certainly hasn't helped sales of the current game console.

    On a more positive note, we recently attended a PlayStation preview in New York that highlighted the PSP Go and the exclusive titles available for both the PSP and PS3 platforms during the upcoming holiday-shopping season. Overall, it looked pretty good.

    Sony can also be consoled by the fact that sales are also way down for the Wii, as Nintendo reported a 66 percent fall in quarterly operating profit on "slowing demand for its Wii console and a stronger yen."

    Nintendo sold 2.23 million Wii consoles in the quarter, compared with 5.17 million the same quarter a year earlier.

    However, Nintendo still posted a profit of $445 million and is forecasting that it will sell 26 million Wii consoles before year's end--along with 30 million DS handheld game players, which, by the way, is seeing increased competition from another handheld device. Nintendo didn't mention the PSP as the rival in its earning call, but rather Apple's iPhone.
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    Yahtzee gives the Wii a (very funny) bashing this week.

    http://www.escapistmagazine.com/vide...-Sports-Resort

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    Sony has started inserting obtrusive ads into PS3/PSN games...the "free ride" had to end sometime. In Wipeout HD, it substantially increases loading times. Note it's been removed for now due to backlash:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kX4f9zts6JM
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    At least they are listening to feedback.

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    Inserting ads into games people have paid for?

    Hellgate: London had ads for Mythos posted in the subways. That was kind of cool because a) Mythos was a much better game than Hellgate, and b) it didn't change the load times in any real way. It just added to the atmosphere of the game and was a neat little in joke to fans.

    Emulating Hellgate though is not advisable.

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    So a PS3 is a very expensive paperweight with free annoying ads? I should totally buy one. Or just boycott Sony.

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    It also plays Blu-ray.

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    xbla shadow complex looks amazing!

    modern setting metroidvania

    http://www.giantbomb.com/quick-look-...mplex/17-1156/

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    Awesome. Sept 8th, Capcom launches a "Platinum Hits Triple Pack".

    $40 for full versions of Dead Rising, Lost Planet, and Devil May Cry 4. All games I kind of wanted, but didn't want to spend full price on.

    http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2...o-xbox-360.ars
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    Nothing stellar there though, and you can get them cheap on fleabay anyway.

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