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Originally posted by snoopy369 View PostAs I said, you either lied/exaggerated, or don't know anything about PC gaming. I leave it to you to tell me which.
So kindly kiss my ass and apologize, or just **** off.
I did not exaggerate, I did not lie, and I very clearly worded it precisely such that I was not making sweeping universal statements like "there are none", but that I couldn't recall any, which is true. The fact that you've only been able to cite the 1 speaks volumes.
Now what I think is going on here is you misread my statement and now you're trying to save face by still forcing the idea I somehow lied or exaggerated by saying:
I can't remember the last time there was a genuinely good creative indy game on the PC, but there's been many on XBLA/XNA.
So you can either apologize for misrepresenting my position (your assertion that I said there were "none"), or you can go join Nikolai and Ben Kenobi in the corner for an intellectual time-out."The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "
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My suggestion is simply that in order to 'not remember' one of the biggest indie PC games of, well, recent memory, so big as to actually make significant RETAIL sales, shows you either don't know anything about the topic, or you lied/exaggerated to make a point. Again, I leave it to you to tell us which You seem to be indicating the former, which is fine.
BTW, Sins of the Solar Empire probably qualifies as a successful indie game on the PC, depending on your definition of 'indie'. Stardock published it, and it had a budget of <$1m, so I'd say it qualifies... and it certainly was a success both critically and in sales (again, one of few indie games to actually do reasonably well on retail shelves and not solely by download). 500,000 PC sales, mostly at retail, and 88% at metacritic, plus PC GOTY from IGN, indicate it was something of a success as well<Reverend> IRC is just multiplayer notepad.
I like your SNOOPY POSTER! - While you Wait quote.
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I don't even know what to say to you.
What is most stupid, the fact that you think games with a relatively large budget made by corporations with long-term publisher support as an "indy game", or the fact that you think because I didn't instantly remember the most popular game on WiiWare was also released on the PC I must "not know anything". FWIW, World of Goo won tons of awards for the Wii and not too many for the PC. It is predominately recognized as a Wii title to most people, it even won Wii game of the year last year at IGN. It's not completely unheard of to associate World of Goo with the Wii given its sales and awards on the Wii.
You know what is by far the most stupid thing, though? The fact that this discussion started with you stating I exaggerated by saying that I "can't remember" something and then yourself claiming I "must not know anything", a clear exaggeration.
So, as a recap because I'm tired of discussing this with you snoopy because it's clear you must have some kind of brain damage:
- I made a comment specifically stating that "I can't remember" something, you misread that as me saying "There is nothing".
- You replied to my comment about me supposedly exaggerating with a comment suggesting I "don't know anything". That's a retarded exaggeration, isn't it?
Here's a tip for you, snoopy: read carefully next time. And then recognize when you make a simple ****ing mistake, rather than digging this hole and setting up camp inside.Last edited by Asher; February 18, 2009, 20:44."The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "
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BTW, speaking of "not knowing anything":
BTW, Sins of the Solar Empire probably qualifies as a successful indie game on the PC, depending on your definition of 'indie'. Stardock published it
Independent video game development is the process of creating video games without the financial support of a video game publisher.
Braid is an indy game. 100% of the games developed on XNA are indy games.
Sins was not an indy game, by any competent definition.
There's a reason you can't think of any good recent indy PC games aside from World of Goo, and that's because the point I was making was on the money. There's no point to this whole discussion we're having aside from illuminating your issues with reading comprehension and a basic lack of understanding of the discussion's terminology."The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "
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yawn......
onto more interesting things, i need to give a warning about the Dyson game i linked to.
It sounded very interesting but makes a very 'indie' mistake. upon running the installer it requires/insists on connecting to the internet to download NET 2.2(or whatever number it was). Now i have already the newest version of the .net stuff installed on my gaming non-internet connected rig, so i got stuck in a loop unable to install the game because it insisted it tried to download the damn software i didnt need.
An important lesson - let the user decide, give a little optional box like 'I will do it later myself' or 'dont need it' etc, rather than just fail.
As it is a promising indie effort will get overlooked as it just wont install on my rig. a shame.
Still Osmos gets some big thumbs up - a very simple concept just done very well, nice smooth simple graphics, great sound, a very good effort i will most likely buy the full version of
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Yeah, i dunno... anything under 1M$ is an indie-game? I wouldnt quite agree with that definition either... To me (and i am by no means an expert), indie games are made by amateurs - people who dont get paid at all (at least mostly), prior to release. Like if i with a bunch of buddies would sit down and make a game in our spare time.
Actually, i once did that - a board game though, which i doubt is release-able (a massive 7-grognards-WW2-game, a match taking something like 50 hours or so), despite the fact, that (almost) all players enjoyed it immensely in our 7 test matches, and that we occasionally talk about one or the other of these matches still - after almost a decade...
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Originally posted by Asher View PostBTW, speaking of "not knowing anything":
BTW, Sins of the Solar Empire probably qualifies as a successful indie game on the PC, depending on your definition of 'indie'. Stardock published it
Independent video game development is the process of creating video games without the financial support of a video game publisher.
Braid is an indy game. 100% of the games developed on XNA are indy games.
Sins was not an indy game, by any competent definition.
There's a reason you can't think of any good recent indy PC games aside from World of Goo, and that's because the point I was making was on the money. There's no point to this whole discussion we're having aside from illuminating your issues with reading comprehension and a basic lack of understanding of the discussion's terminology.
It's too bad you aren't capable of having a civil discussion about things, or I'd go into more detail ... but it would just be wasted typing, and my fingers are tired.
I can't think of any more indie PC games because I don't play indie PC games in general... I make no claim to have any expertise in the matter.<Reverend> IRC is just multiplayer notepad.
I like your SNOOPY POSTER! - While you Wait quote.
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It's too bad you aren't capable of having a civil discussion about things, or I'd go into more detail ... but it would just be wasted typing, and my fingers are tired.
I'm more than capable of having a civil discussion on this, but that'd require you to understand the basic terminology pertaining to the discussion in addition to reading what I write, rather than misreading it and claiming I'm saying something I'm not."The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "
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I agree on indie gaming being about being independent. But as far as I've understood, Xbox Live "indie" devs are under a strict regime. I understand those games as indie, but OTOH it doesn't fit that definition.Do not fear, for I am with you; Do not anxiously look about you, for I am your God.-Isaiah 41:10
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Originally posted by Nikolai View PostI agree on indie gaming being about being independent. But as far as I've understood, Xbox Live "indie" devs are under a strict regime. I understand those games as indie, but OTOH it doesn't fit that definition.
For starters, "Xbox Live" is not "Xbox Live Arcade" is not "XNA".
XNA is the epitome of indy development. Look into it before you continue down this path..."The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "
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