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**Dale** · August 6, 2008, 00:26

RtW-UE updated to v1.1 to fix an AI problem.

Thanks

**Blaupanzer** · August 6, 2008, 12:49

EEk! Dale we will miss you. Good luck.

**Chemical Ollie** · August 12, 2008, 14:48

I am way into my first game, playing as Eva Braun of Grossdeutchland on noble level (if you wan't to conquer the entire world, you must be an evil personality).

Some comments:
* The Noble level is too easy, it's early 1944 and I have already completed the entire tech tree. I own Europe from Ireland to beyond Ural, several towns in Africa and India and a bridgehead in North America. Total air and navy superiority wherever I go. And I have yet to see an enemy tank, the AI sticks to building cavallery and tank destroyers.

* Nukes are to cheap to build and carries to little environmental and political penalty.

Anyway, it's a great mod and I will play some more rounds of it when I've finished the current. But then on a higher level or as a weaker nation. Perhaps playing Finland and trying to roll all the way to Kamtjaka?

(I may edit more comments into this post after further playing.)

**sowings** · August 13, 2008, 01:16

Originally posted by Dale
RtW-UE updated to v1.1 to fix an AI problem.

Thanks

Any chance this is related to making use of transports, to, say, have Norway recapture Copenhagen from their SOD city of Oslo?

Also: Does the mod do away with the aircraft stack caps from the base game?

**mastrude** · August 13, 2008, 20:16

Road to War is a ton of fun! I've been playing the Pacific Theater scenario which starts in 1936, after Japan had invaded Manchuria and pacified it, but before Japan or China went to war. I've played as China, Mao's rebellion, Japan, and the US.

It is, for example, very hard to keep Mao alive for more than a few turns. The US can play rather close to historical events, and has to use an extremely cautious, mainly defensive, game in order to win. It helps not to have any ships at Pearl, though.

One great thing about this historical mod, is that all the countries have to spend a long time being defensive, in order to win later. This seems unusual for Civ 4 scenarios.

The best great thing is that you can try extreme variations on history and see what eventuates. My most fun games have been playing Yamamoto or Hirohito, and testing theories. To start with, I didn't attack China or anybody else. I waited till Russia or China attacked Japan, then defended while developing Manchuria as an industrial powerhouse. By mid-game, the Japanese homeland almost doesn't matter. That's where I hold the Japanese nukes(!) though.

From the point of view of Japan, with slow defensive strategies, having a big surface fleet doesn't really get you anything. It's better to build almost all submarines. They're much cheaper and can take down a battleship most of the time. You can leave them sitting on the sea floor all over the Pacific, undetectable except by destroyers.

In this iteration of this strategy, I'm taking over the whole Pacific world. I was able previously to lick Russia, China, and the US, more or less one at a time.

This is a blast!

I know I'm talking over a dead phone line, kinda, but I think the early submarines are a little too powerful versus surface ships. I don't recall that the scenario starts with diesel subs. It seemed to me that we started building nuclear subs very early. Dale, if you are still listening, what do ya think?

**Dale** · August 14, 2008, 16:38

Are you using the Ultimate Edition 1.1 as posted at the top of this thread? Unit building and tech research should be slower than the retail version.

Also, by 1940 surface naval combat had undergone a massive transition. Battleships were not the dominant unit type on the waters, cruisers were and by the end of the war so to would carriers and subs. Sub strength is representative as if you remember the Germans used U-boats to extreme effectiveness to severely hamper UK and US trade in the Atlantic.

Also too, the techs are setup so that any modern unit type could be gotten early, but to the detriment of other unit types. EG: You might have nuclear subs, but crappy aircraft and tanks.

**mastrude** · August 15, 2008, 16:19

No, I'm using the beta version still, which I imagine is nearly the same as the UE.

It does appear that Japan's aircraft are definitely inferior to the US's.

Great scenario! Much more realistic than other Civ 4 scenarios I believe.

I will try out the European scenarios now.

**thorez** · August 17, 2008, 22:44

Will this patch fix the no oil for the United Kingdom? I play the UK and couldn't make anything from the cities on the Island.

Thanks!

**Dale** · August 17, 2008, 23:42

Yep, fixes that one.

**BillSeurer** · September 6, 2008, 18:44

Documentation

Is there any extra documentation somewhere about some of the RtW specific stuff like propaganda? What's in the civilopedia isn't very clear.

**mastrude** · September 7, 2008, 15:46

I really haven't found anything specific to RTW.

**BillSeurer** · September 7, 2008, 21:48

Too bad about the documentation. I'm still not very clear on the whole propaganda thing.

I just finished my first game of the full world war scenario and it was great. I was playing the USA and got beaten by the ITALIANS of all civs. They crushed the Brits in the med and then took out most of western Russia. I had just finished off the Japanese and moved my units from there to what was left of Russia to help out and in a massive air battle lost 39 of my 40 well trained P51s (the German airforce actually did most of the damage).

Anyway, there was an odd period where research basically shut down. It happened just after the US joined the war. Even with the help of all the allies it was taking 40 turns to research new tech. Then in 1945 when Russia joined in I got like 10 techs in a row. Kinda weird.

Oh, and another weird thing was the Falklands. Obviously planning for the eventual Falklands War against Argentina the UK kept 10+ infantry and a bunch of cavalry there the whole war. ???

I think that fighters are too effective at ground attack. I had to restrain myself from just using them to eliminate all enemy units thus avoiding ground combat.

**MoonWolf** · September 10, 2008, 17:31

Originally posted by BillSeurer
Oh, and another weird thing was the Falklands. Obviously planning for the eventual Falklands War against Argentina the UK kept 10+ infantry and a bunch of cavalry there the whole war. ???.

In the normal game, the AI often can leave some units on an island after an assault, trying to settle (but an other civ build city before it) or something similar. Those units will stay there. I've never seen the AI send a ship to collect those units.

**BillSeurer** · September 12, 2008, 08:42

Range of aircraft

Does anyone else think the range of aircraft is waaayyyyy too high in the Ultimate Edition? Zeroes (for instance) can bomb most of the US mainland from Hawaii and reach well into the Mediterranean from India.

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