Prior: http://www.apolyton.net/forums/showt...0&pagenumber=1
September 2007 sales in the USA:
HW Sales
PlayStation 2 215K
PlayStation 3 119.4K
PlayStation Portable 284.5K
Xbox 360 527.8K
Wii 501K
Nintendo DS 495.8K
Game Boy Advance 75K
SW Sales
360 HALO 3* MICROSOFT (CORP) 1 3.3 million
WII PLAY W/ REMOTE NINTENDO OF AMERICA 2 282K
NDS LEGEND OF ZELDA: PHANTOM HOURGLASS NINTENDO OF AMERICA 3 224K
PS2 MADDEN NFL 08 ELECTRONIC ARTS 4 205K
360 SKATE ELECTRONIC ARTS 5 175K
360 MADDEN NFL 08 ELECTRONIC ARTS 6 173K
WII METROID PRIME 3: CORRUPTION NINTENDO OF AMERICA 7 167K
360 BIOSHOCK TAKE 2 INTERACTIVE (CORP) 8 150K
NDS BRAIN AGE 2: MORE TRAINING IN MINUTES A NINTENDO OF AMERICA 9 141K
PS3 HEAVENLY SWORD SONY (CORP) 10 139K
Halo 3 sells 3.3 million copies in 5 days, Xbox 360 overtakes Wii in HW sales.
IMO, the 360 will continue to outsell the Wii throughout the holiday season due to the 360 game lineup (which is incredible), lower priced SKUs ($279 Arcade), and further holiday sales which Nintendo can't meet production-wise.
I made this prediction a while ago too.
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I think the Wii may also hold the title of worst attach rate for a console in its first year in history. Even the PS3 had a title in the top 10 outsell the hardware units sold in the month.
500,000 units sold, and the top game sells 167,000 copies? It looks like people are buying Wiis and no games. Would anyone care to debate that, or is it becoming increasingly obvious?
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i think they'll be pretty close, but unless there are a lot of wiis just sitting in warehouses for the holidays, should go to the 360, especially with the great sales going on. 2 bundled games, Arcade. hell, free with a new tv, like mine.
The wii sold over 500k units without a single new system mover. I wonder what the un-supply constrained upper bounds would be for galaxy or brawl.
I don't think they'd do a lot, considering Metroid Prime 3's sales. The Wii is opening up a new demographic that clearly are not interested in games. Even critically acclaimed, highly-rated ones from big-name franchises.
"The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "
There was jack **** new to buy on the wii in september.Originally posted by Asher
I think the Wii may also hold the title of worst attach rate for a console in its first year in history. Even the PS3 had a title in the top 10 outsell the hardware units sold in the month.
500,000 units sold, and the top game sells 167,000 copies? It looks like people are buying Wiis and no games. Would anyone care to debate that, or is it becoming increasingly obvious?
if galaxy only moves a million, then call me.
Sales were pretty pathetic all around except for halo3, its like it sucked up all the sales.
The best part of the 360's sales was the comment from Nintendo's exec that the people interested in Halo already had 360s. Clearly.
"The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "
So a console that's been out two years is beating consoles that have only been out one year. Big deal. You realize the PS2 Madden still outsells 360 Madden? Consoles that have been out longer just do better. And this is not open for debate, this is a fact like one you could look up online or in a book and confirm to be true.
NOA really ****ed up the metroid marketing, thankfully, the people in charge are leaving soon.Originally posted by Asher
I don't think they'd do a lot, considering Metroid Prime 3's sales. The Wii is opening up a new demographic that clearly are not interested in games. Even critically acclaimed, highly-rated ones from big-name franchises.
I haven't played it, but its sitting on my coffee table (i'll play it after bioshock)
The company obviously did a fantastic job of marketing to casuals/lapsed/geriatrics, but hasn't put one iota of that energy into promoting more serious games.
Fill in the blank -- story of the Wii's existence. Isn't this the problem?Originally posted by asleepathewheel
There was jack **** new to buy on the wii in _____
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I'm most thankful for the pathetic showing of Sony.
I really don't want next gen to start at $600. Obviously I'll be able to afford that, barring me acquiring 5 kids between now and then, but it just isn't viable for the mass market.
119k in a 5 week month. After an earlier massive price cut? That's less than 24k/month.
Not my problem, I like the niche games that only need 200k sales world-wide, that you don'tOriginally posted by Asher
Fill in the blank -- story of the Wii's existence. Isn't this the problem?
Yeah. In addition, some of us noticed a long time ago that the HD "revolution" in console gaming is really not taking off, and probably won't for another year or two.Originally posted by Wiglaf
So a console that's been out two years is beating consoles that have only been out one year. Big deal. You realize the PS2 Madden still outsells 360 Madden? Consoles that have been out longer just do better. And this is not open for debate, this is a fact like one you could look up online or in a book and confirm to be true.
Another reason the Wii is doing so well.
Still can't understand why people ooh and aah about Halo. It's a pretty mediocre game, especially compared to other games available on the 360. It's not even true HD, which is galling.
Then again, people buy millions of Britney records, so it shouldn't be that surprising.
Only feebs vote.
given that Nintendo is production constrained, its likely that 360 will continue to outsell Wii through December, that makes sense.
Anyone want to place a bet on how much though? they only outsold the Wii by 5% in units (yeah, I know the 360 costs more) in the month of their price cut and Halo release (yeah, I know that was only the last few days of the month, but those were the days during which Halo sold 3 million copies)
If we're going to discuss the Wii attach rate, Id like to see the actual data on the attach rate, not speculate from the top ten games in one month.
At any rate they did better in software sales than PS3 for whatever thats worth.
I know its not quite on topic for this thread, but Id be curious to see the PC game sales for the month - did Halo drain them the same way it seems to have drained the other consoles.
Madden 360 sales= 1069.6kOriginally posted by Wiglaf
So a console that's been out two years is beating consoles that have only been out one year. Big deal. You realize the PS2 Madden still outsells 360 Madden? Consoles that have been out longer just do better. And this is not open for debate, this is a fact like one you could look up online or in a book and confirm to be true.
Madden ps2 sales= 848.6k
How did the PS2 version out sale the 360 version?
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Gaming is about the games. The Wii is pushing a lot of hardware, but not the games.Originally posted by Agathon
Yeah. In addition, some of us noticed a long time ago that the HD "revolution" in console gaming is really not taking off, and probably won't for another year or two.
Another reason the Wii is doing so well.
The HD "revolution" may not be taking off according to you, but the 360 is consistently raping every other platform out there (including PS2) in games sales. And isn't that what this is all about?
You refuse you give your gamertag/bungie.net account -- tell us what it is so we can confirm your Halo 3 gameplay.Still can't understand why people ooh and aah about Halo. It's a pretty mediocre game, especially compared to other games available on the 360. It's not even true HD, which is galling.
"The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "
I'm so tired of that argument. They've had a year to significantly ramp up production on a simple console, and they haven't. The fact that they strategically refuse to increase production means that using the limited production capabilities isn't really relevant in any sales discussion.Originally posted by lord of the mark
given that Nintendo is production constrained, its likely that 360 will continue to outsell Wii through December, that makes sense.
Nintendo doesnt release that data, but it's bound to be pathetic for very obvious reasons. Every single month, the 360 dominates software sales (then again, the 360 has set records for software attach rates).If we're going to discuss the Wii attach rate, Id like to see the actual data on the attach rate, not speculate from the top ten games in one month.
PS3 has a tiny fraction of the install base.At any rate they did better in software sales than PS3 for whatever thats worth.
"The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "
As has been shown, you're completely incorrect. I love backfiring.Originally posted by Wiglaf
So a console that's been out two years is beating consoles that have only been out one year. Big deal. You realize the PS2 Madden still outsells 360 Madden? Consoles that have been out longer just do better. And this is not open for debate, this is a fact like one you could look up online or in a book and confirm to be true.
"The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "
yepOriginally posted by Asher
Gaming is about the games. The Wii is pushing a lot of hardware, but not the games.
even **** games like Juarez and two worlds will sell 200k, which the wii struggles to get with non N brand games.
effect of achievements?
What really blows is that Eternal Sonata and Blue Dragon both bombed, (especially in comparison to their budgets) which are more in tune with my tastes (though I cared for neither's demo)
By the way, Aggie, Warhawk sold 45,000 this month. It's now at about 70,000 total.
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Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "
but but psn download sales, right????Originally posted by Asher
By the way, Aggie, Warhawk sold 45,000 this month. It's now at about 70,000 total.
so the three big post launch release exclusives, Lair, Warhawk, and Heavenly Sword have all been tremendous flops.
Would love to see how much in the red those projects are.
But there's ratchet and uncharted, right??
They're hyping Haze now as a Halo-killer as well. a Haze producer publically took swipes at Halo.
Can't wait for Agathon's praise for how awesome Haze is.
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Argument about what? Im saying 360 will sell more units than wii the next three months. Do you disagree? If not, what are we arguing about?Originally posted by Asher
I'm so tired of that argument. They've had a year to significantly ramp up production on a simple console, and they haven't. The fact that they strategically refuse to increase production means that using the limited production capabilities isn't really relevant in any sales discussion.
I'm disagreeing with the "supply-constrained" excuse. It's clearly part of their strategy.
"The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "
If 3 million copies of Halo were sold in the same time as a lot less than 500,000 360's, then the statement is obviously true...Originally posted by Asher
The best part of the 360's sales was the comment from Nintendo's exec that the people interested in Halo already had 360s. Clearly.
Originally posted by Asher
I'm disagreeing with the "supply-constrained" excuse. It's clearly part of their strategy.
So you think that A. They could have sold 600,000 Wiis, but deliberately only made 500,000, to keep folks excited or
B. Unconstrained, 500,000 is exactly how many they could sell, and they managed to predict this right on the mark and aimed for exactly that level of production.
I think its at least as likely that they didnt expect the HW sales to continue at this pace. Why would they? Like youve said over and over, the games arent there. How many little old ladies interested in Wii sports, and willing to part with over $200 for a console, are there? It seems quite reasonable to me that they havent ramped up production, cause they keep expecting sales to go down.
Britney sells more than Beethoven.Originally posted by asleepathewheel
but but psn download sales, right????
So what. Only a cretin would prefer Britney.
Warhawk is a far superior multiplayer shooting game to Halo 3. In Warhawk you actually get useful vehicles, real tank battles, and aircraft that fly like aircraft should, and huge maps and 32 player games (a 16v16 dogfight match is pretty awesome, with crap flying everywhere). Halo 3 can only manage half that.
But no, people would rather play a 4x4 deathmatch in what looks like a dockside warehouse while jumping up and down like monkeys (just like real fighting soldiers do - at least GOW got that right). What's the point of a sniper rifle if the map is so small that you might as well use a regular rifle? In Warhawk, you can snipe from half a mile away, and there are real hills and real cliffs that make an actual difference.
You could fit Valhalla more than 20 times into the largest version of Eucadia or Island Outpost.
Only feebs vote.
Britney sells more than Beethoven.
I really doubt that, if you count lifetime sales...
But then again, Beethoven has got an unfair advantage in lifetime.
Do not fear, for I am with you; Do not anxiously look about you, for I am your God. -Isaiah 41:10
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Warhawk is a different type of MP than Halo. If you want the kind you're describing, the Battlefield series is way better than Warhawk. You complain that the maps are too small, yet I think most of them are too big. I don't want to play in 20 mile by 20 mile map with 10 people, that's just boring. I found Warhawk to be a decent-at-best shooter, kind of a poor man's Battlefield. Its MP doesn't even come close to Halo's when it comes to the simple fun factor.Originally posted by Agathon
Britney sells more than Beethoven.
So what. Only a cretin would prefer Britney.
Warhawk is a far superior multiplayer shooting game to Halo 3. In Warhawk you actually get useful vehicles, real tank battles, and aircraft that fly like aircraft should, and huge maps and 32 player games (a 16v16 dogfight match is pretty awesome, with crap flying everywhere). Halo 3 can only manage half that.
But no, people would rather play a 4x4 deathmatch in what looks like a dockside warehouse while jumping up and down like monkeys (just like real fighting soldiers do - at least GOW got that right). What's the point of a sniper rifle if the map is so small that you might as well use a regular rifle? In Warhawk, you can snipe from half a mile away, and there are real hills and real cliffs that make an actual difference.
You could fit Valhalla more than 20 times into the largest version of Eucadia or Island Outpost.
Your comment about "real fighting soldiers" is classic too -- do you understand the Spartan armour? "Real fighting soldiers" are not played in Halo, Aggie...SPARTANS in powered combat suits do, and they can and do jump. Weakass argument on your part, as usual.
People aren't buying Warhawk because it's simply not very good. There's tons of "hardcore" gamers on the PS3 and very few of them are interested in it. From your posts here and at MacRumours, you admit you're fairly new to this whole multiplayer thing -- so I guess that's why ~2000-era derivative multiplayer gaming that's essentially a clone of Battlefield interests you. It's kind of stale for most of us.
And Halo has way more than just deathmatches...again, Agathon, man up and give us your gamertag and bungie.net account. And again, someone else please ask him so he can't use the "Asher is on ignore" excuse when he reads this.
Last edited by Asher; October 19, 2007 at 08:24.
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