Rugby World Cup: And the Winner is...

finbar · December 20, 2007, 07:55

Auguri!

(As they say here)

Havak · December 20, 2007, 09:22

"Bottoms up" as the reply often goes here.

Caligastia · December 20, 2007, 22:06

Any ideas for a new thread title?

In the spirit of misbehaving rugby stars everywhere:

Rugby - Drunk and Belligerent

finbar · December 21, 2007, 02:48

Maybe a bit too negative. You might have missed an earlier couple of suggestions of mine in relation to a Kiwi now coaching the Wallabies:

Rugby - Australian Fush 'n' Chups

or

Rugby - Australia: Good As Gold

Only a Kiwi might fully appreciate the second one.

Caligastia · December 21, 2007, 13:13

Actually, "Good as gold" is a fairly popular saying here in the U.S. too. Not that we have any Americans posting in this thread...

finbar · December 24, 2007, 09:26

Yes, but I'm sure it doesn't appear in every sentence as it does in the south island.

Missed the Leicester defeat at the hands of my new favourite team. Neighbours came in for dinner and I was busy cooking. Gee, it's hard being a bangwagon-rider. I have to stop and think who I'm supporting every week.

kittenOFchaos · December 25, 2007, 08:30

Originally posted by finbar
Missed the Leicester defeat at the hands of my new favourite team. Neighbours came in for dinner and I was busy cooking. Gee, it's hard being a bangwagon-rider. I have to stop and think who I'm supporting every week.

Hey, get your own team

finbar · December 25, 2007, 12:55

No problems. Anyone who beats Leicester automatically becomes my new favourite team, so expect a poultice of new favourite teams over the coming months.

finbar · December 30, 2007, 04:13

Wasps -v- Bath was interesting. Wasps had understrength Bath on toast in the second half. Tries and bonus points seemingly for the taking. Not so. Bath somehow grabbed control in the last quarter. Nose had a big game. First time I've seen D. Cipriani and N. Abendandon, apparently a couple of England's up and comers. Cipriani, playing #10, has nice skills but slack defence. I certainly wouldn't want Abendandon at full back in any team of mine. Prone to schoolboy howlers.

London Irish almost became my new favourite team.

finbar · December 31, 2007, 05:35

Newcastle -v- Sarries was entertaining stuff. A sprinkling of decent talent in both teams but not enough to trouble the top sides, methinks. Despite one blunder, M. Tait looked good at full back. His lack of physical strength isn't as exposed as it is in the centres and his many skills can be used when he joins the line. I think he's well worth considering at full back for England.

Havak · January 2, 2008, 03:49

I certainly wouldn’t mind seeing Tait at Full Back for England. But then I prefer Cipriani at FB too. Abendanon is a great Sevens player but has yet to convince many people in the fifteen man game.

With respect to KoC the Sale game was a disaster for us. As poorly as Tigers played we should still have won (but Goode forgot where the posts were). But then most sides struggle up in Stockport – it juts isn’t a natural home for Rugby Union.

The Exiles game was far more interesting in that our new coach chose a very under strength side full of old crufters and injury returnees. And it paid off. Forget the scoreboard as Humphries had an awful kicking day on his return from injury – the important stat is that Tigers outscored Exiles by four tries to one. It was a fairly easy victory that was made to look laboured by the boot of Armitage.

One problem shone through from both games however – we have big problems with discipline again as we gave away far too many penalties.

Havak · January 3, 2008, 07:52

It looks like Dallaglio was tipped off that he will be excluded from the 6N squad to be announced next week.

This retirement announcement is long overdue.

Andydog · January 3, 2008, 10:04

I wonder if he's playing better recently knowing that the pressure is off. He looks to be having fun in his last season as a player - I haven't seen him voluntarily tackle himself in a few games, he is smiling a lot more, and this weekend when he burst off the back of the scrum and flipped a pass to Sackey it was reminiscent of the Dayglow of old.

I've never liked him much but he was a great player in his prime. He had a talent off the field for manipulating the media (in the 2nd part of his career obviously). His campaigns to get himself back in the England team were masterful.

Also I'll never forget how he managed to charm the NZ media early in the Lions tour and then say Stephen Joneseque bollocks on the same day when it was for the UK domestic market.

So we'll be seeing Haskell take to the turf this 6 Nations?

Havak · January 3, 2008, 10:25

I hope so - talented player.

I'd like Crane to make the cut too though. Two excellent young prospects for the number 8 shirt at the same time, who would have thunk it?

Havak · January 4, 2008, 10:02

One for Finbar - Sly Eddie has signed to replace Alan Gaffney at Saracens from next season.

Does this mean another tirade from Mr O'Neil about his lack of loyalty to Australia?

finbar · January 5, 2008, 04:27

Is anyone surprised by the appointment? The consultancy role was always only a holding pattern. I've only seen the team once recently - the other night against Newcastle - and I don't think they yet have the depth of talent to be a serious ongoing threat.

J. O'Neill will to be too busy licking his whiskers over the new Wallaby coach to care what Eddie's doing.

Missed Bath -v- Gloucester last night because Mrs finbar wanted to watch a dreadful film on Sky Movies instead!

Well, I caught the last minute. Looked like fun in the mud.

Havak · January 7, 2008, 03:43

Yes it is quite the old fashioned game of mud wrestling when you can't tell red and blue shirts apart after 20 minutes.

Did you catch the result of the Harlequins game yesterday? A tale of two Toms - a hat trick for Varndell and a brace for Croft.

Tigers second try is well worth hunting down - Corry, Croft and Smith linking for a beautiful score. And keep watching after the conversion because Varndell caught the restart ball, slipped a tackle from De Wet Barry and ran the length of the pitch to score.

Mr Mauger is shaking of the ring rust and growing into the team very well. His slipped pass to Varndell for the last Tigers try was a nice touch.

Varndell is growing as a player - the showboating has been toned down and he seems to be reading the game a lot better.

Over to Dean Richards who had something to say about Crofty:

"Tom Croft is an outstanding talent. I think he is a really good player. He has everything. He might lack a little experience but you could throw him into the England team and I don't think it would hurt them at all"

finbar · January 7, 2008, 04:23

Caught the second half. Leicester were, at times, outstanding, flattered by some appalling Quins defence. Or lack thereof. For all their possession, Quins were basically dreadful. No wonder the coach couldn't get the frown off his face. I don't know what's happened to De Wet Barry. He used to be a ferocious tackler, often illegally and dangerously so. His effort on T. Varndell was utterly pathetic. And letting T. Croft surprise him in the air (to score his second) was equally sad. Not to mention the weak effort - along with the Quins #12 - in letting Varndell slip straight between them.

T. Croft is, as I've always thought, a future superstar. Extraordinary speed, mobility and coordination for a big man. And a brain. He has to make the 6N squad even if only for experience. In fact, were he Australian, he'd be straight into the national 22. Varndell does seem to be maturing, though he won't receive the poultice of gifts he did yesterday in Test rugby. A. Mauger is all class and it's beginning to show. So polished, so quick of thought and hand and boot, so understated. Oh how I wish G. Henry had had the nouse to pick him in front of L. McAlister in the WC QF. McAlister will never be the player Mauger is because he doesn't have the professional humility.

Havak · January 7, 2008, 08:10

Mr McAllister actually played at fly half for Sale this weekend. The Sale head coach described the game as the teams worst of the season (they lost to the Exiles). No one player is responsible for that of course - but I wonder if he will get the ten shirt again this season?

It's an excellent point about the Australians selecting youngsters - it is a very English dogma that seems to prevent players younger than 24 being considered. Both TV and TC really should make the 35 man squad this wednesday.

Tigers are still two half backs short of being a good team in my opinion. The french scrum half didn't have a good game (though I think you missed a quite outrageous trip he got away with in the first half that probably should have seen a penalty try!). Ben Youngs might make the grade in time but we need a fit Harry Ellis ASAP.

The ten shirt is trickier - Goode's boot is often worth it's weight in gold but he is a quite limited playmaker. Lofreda needs to look at the ten shirt carefully for next season.

finbar · January 7, 2008, 08:38

McAlister spent time at #10 in S14 last season. He was seen as equally capable in either spot. As, for that matter, was Mauger. McAlister has talent but I just don't think he has the cool, measured head that is sometimes required. He doesn't think beyond the moment often enough. It might come with experience, but I'm not sure that the premiership is where he will learn it. I fear he will continue to try to dazzle to impress.

I did see the trip. I forgot to mention it. Was that in the first half? I must have caught some of the first half, too. Cynical stuff. Red card and a penalty try.

The Sky commentators were making noises about Goode worrying about Fernanandez arriving at the club. With Mauger and a quality #10 working together, and good wingers, Leicester would have the perfect combo of muscle and murderous attack.

finbar · January 8, 2008, 05:44

M. Corry's retirement sounds like a nicely stage-managed business. Coach calls to tell him he has been selected in the 6N squad, how does he feel about it? The player opts for retirement. Not a bad thing either. Mighty club player, never much better than a very hard worker at Test level. Time for new blood.

I only hope that all these retirements of seasoned hands won't frighten B. Ashton into opting for seasoned, lesser players for the sake of experience.