When should we open up the forum to discussions

[snoopy369]

Earlier it seemed to be the opinion of the varoius players that we should, at some point, open up the forum to discussion of how the game is going, regardless of teams having contact between each other.

At what point should we do this? This is a discussion thread, and it is non-binding barring a consensus.

Reasonable optoins are anything from "now", "when X tech is discovered", "when all teams have contact", "when some team(s) from each continent have contact with other continent(s)", etc. Or make up your own

Once a reasonably small number of options appear, we'll have a team poll.

[snoopy369]

Let me add: Please do not discuss what techs are currently known. However, it's okay to make reasonable guesses as to when a particular tech might be discovered, as that's sort of necessary for this discussion.

[PJayTycy]

When there's a contact-string that atleast connects everyone -but-one (ie: Horde knows Sarantium, Sarantium knows Centaurians, ...., Mercs don't know anybody).

This way "word of mouth" can travel realisticly, and one isolated team doesn't spoil it for everybody.

[ChrisiusMaximus]

We should never have closed the forums to discussions !!!

[PLATO]

Originally posted by ChrisiusMaximus
We should never have closed the forums to discussions !!!

I think this would qualify as a "now" vote, my friend.

[proviisori]

I think a good time would be when some team gets a contact with another team on different continent. Admins can look for it in the private forums and announce this when it happens. ...without telling the names of the teams of course.

This way we would have a theoretical way for "rumours" to travel and thus it would be a natural point when to allow open discussion. This way we don't have to wait for every civ to contact each other.

[snoopy369]

PJ, one of the design goals for the original map was not to have that situation happen - ie, there is no single team without contact to another civ at this point. Though one of the funnier maps Aeson and I threw out had a megacontinent with 6 of the seven teams on it, and Banana on a huge Antarctica.

[ChrisiusMaximus]

Roleplay Spam call it what you will should have been natural, and flowing, to allow a sense of fun. You chose to stifle it in a pedantic and politically correct grip.

Your job should have been to monitor and police to make sure nothing untoward or too revealing in the early stages was broadcast, but you chose to choke the fun from this game instead.

As for ming coming in here closing topics well if there were rules violations then thats his remit, but you use that premise to inflict your own personal version of said rules.

I say nothing now I have not said before, so it should be of no surprise to you, this particular issue clouds my view of this game.

[snoopy369]

CM, that is your opinion but I would note was not and as far as I can tell is not the opinion of the majority of the players in the game. They prefer to have a game where it actually matters which teams are in which positions on the map.

I've never had a problem with teams posting non-game information specific posts here; pure spam (non-game related) is not permitted by the rules of the site.

Given the result of the last question, which seemed to be that players preferred a particular point in which to open this forum to posts by all, I post the above question. I suggest that if you prefer to open the forum now, then you convince your fellow teams of this, rather than making personal attacks.

[binTravkin]

CM, that is your opinion but I would note was not and as far as I can tell is not the opinion of the majority of the players in the game.

It's the opinion of team AC aswell (at least most of us).

See the recreation common threads in ACDG - they were usually a lot of fun and we really liked it.

[Maniac]

I hate it when people close unfinished discussions. Forces people to constantly open new threads.

A DG is a chance to roleplay, and all the assorted posting privileges that come with that, but this thread isn't doing that at all, and the last one went from RP to spam in short time.

Roleplay is spam. Spam is roleplay.

Of course our definition of and view on spam may vary, as I only post quality spam.

[ChrisiusMaximus]

Snoopy here we go again it seems, you start by saying it is my opinion, you are correct in that.

You finish by accusing me of making personal attacks, whick striikes me as a personal attack !

Make up your mind, am I entitled to an opinion or not ?

I fail to see how my post can be seen as a personal attack, merely it is a statement of opinion on the state of things as i see them, nothing more.

I ask you did I specifically name you ?

Herein lies the root of this problem, there are those who fail to leave things behind and every time something they are connected too gets called into question they hide behind the your making personal attacks etc etc.

That happens a lot with racism, sexism and ageism, in fact all kinds of ism's too, you get someone using their brand of ism card every time they cant get there own way, or someone dares to question thier view.

You note im of a minority, fair dinkum, but even the minority has the right to its opinion so play fair !

[PLATO]

Originally posted by snoopy369
I suggest that if you prefer to open the forum now, then you convince your fellow teams of this, rather than making personal attacks.

Oh crap.

Here we go.

[-SafaN-]

close this forum please, it seems trolls and flamers are all we have

[proviisori]

Originally posted by -SafaN-
close this forum please, it seems trolls and flamers are all we have

Who.. me??

[Jon Miller]

I think if we wait for everyone to meet eachother.. it would take to long.

Maybe so that there is a string of meetings?

JM

[Donegeal]

I think it should depend on when everyone wants to start doing so.

Going by tech should be ok. Like Snoopy said, "rumors" of great civs were abound long before contact was ever made.

I think that if we decide as a group that we want it soon, we should make it by Sailing. If we want it later, Calander. Even later would be Optics and waiting until Astronomy I think would be rediculous.

Sailing sounds good to me; but how should we limit it? Once you discover sailing, you can start talking to other civs? Once everybody has it then the forum opens? Or how bout players on teams without it can't post in the open forum discussions until they get it.

Now I'm just throwing out ideas on this...

How about restricting communication between teams that have the tech, but not in game contact, to only open discussions (ie the public forum) as since they do not have direct contact, they are only communicating through rumors and one can't control a rumor (or keep it private). Hmm... I like this and think it would add an interesting wrinkle to diplomacy...

Thoughts?

[proviisori]

How about... we open public forums for everybody when 3 or 4 civs have calendar?
This way other civs can't so easilly figure out the tech level of the one(s) who have invented it.

[conmcb25]

I say we continue to wait until contact is made by all.

Unfortunately in life you reap what you sow, the sooner people start understanding that, the sooner demo games will again be "fun" at Apolyton.

[Jon Miller]

Eh, but that isn't as fun. I can't really talk about the game with anyone but people in my little sub forum.

I would rather look at what is happening elsewhere, talk to others arround, etc.

I also don't think it is realistic, as has been stated, rumors were heard even when there wasn't diplomatic exchanges. And I really don't understand your final sentence?

JM

[Impaler[WrG]]

I take the purest aproatch, wait untill the U.N. is Built!!!

[Daddy-O]

I have said the following in private forums and will state it here.

I completely understand why snoopy369 made the decision he did. But, I believe that the near silent game we are playing is killing interest in it.

The last demo game became a hate filled flame fest that almost almost killed Apolyton. There were many reasons for it, including role play that got confused and personal. I am not pointing fingers at anyone but myself. I don't want to see that happen again. We need to find a way to allow public discussion of the game and role play without it getting personal.

I strongly suggest that all role play be color coded - for lack of a better color - Yellow. If TeamABC wants to be a belicose warmonger and accuse XTeam of deceit and atrocities Team ABC should be able to do that without the actual people of either team involved being considered beligerant jerks or cheats. Also when posting in role play the individual should use an in game name.

an example:

Papa-O Glorious Leader of TeamABC issues the following:

O! People of the world know that XTeam is a deceetfull bunch of twits! XTeam deeclared their frendliness and military stronging to us. Yet they dare to build up temples to heathen gods and reefoose to share wryting wit us. They offer trading many golds for iron skills yet they now claim no have golds nor wryting. Still somehow XTeam finds golds for little gods of no power.

O! XTeam your kin will know our swords for ages!


XTeam might respond with less theatrics but still responds in character...
Um. What are you talking about? You started this when you sneak attacked our forted archer in XTeam territory. That is why the gold was never sent.

Finally my answer to the original question:
1 - An agreement on some RP rules needs to be decided on before the public forums are opened to this game.

2 - Since the public forums are closed at this time maybe the mods should decide when a reasonable number of teams have met in game to allow for rumors of other civs to travel across our world.

[PLATO]

Daddy-O



I think this is a great idea! If we had had this system in the last game then I believe much grief could have been avoided.

Oh...and thanks for not pointing out that I was the major bellicose warmonger. It really did take me way too long to figure out that folks were taking my RP seriously.

Hopefully, snoopy369 will let us adopt this or a similar system and put some life back into Poly DGs!!

con, I must say again that the past is the past. I know I learned many things from it. I do so hope for you that you can move past what took place and start to enjoy the games again. I, for one, extend my hand to you and all those hurt by what happened in the C3CDG and ask that we can all move forward together as one community.

[Daddy-O]

No problem you belicose warmonger - you.

[ChrisiusMaximus]

Great idea Daddy-O

and well said PLATO, you put it much better than i could.

[proviisori]

Bad choice of color... It is difficult to read it on lighter background.

The idea is good, but it should not be adopted too soon. The right time for it would be when there is a way for the "rumours" to reach every civ in the game. When the continents are diplomatically connected or some pre-defined tech is discovered. That would be more realistic. Meanwhile you can RP all you want in the private fora.

We will need a team vote on this matter.

[Daddy-O]

Typical Sarantium hate speech! Yellow is by far the best color. Use of any other color in dialogue between nations is heresy! A pox on your family.

Um sorry for that outburst.

I would like to see others' opinions on RP rules. Even though I am bound by a higher power to demand that yellow be used, all suggestions are welcome. Whatever the method is, it should be simple enough so that people who are not into RP can post a reply in-game without it being confused with communications out-of-game or related to game mechanics.

I also agree that now is not the time to open the forum. The Mods and Team Leaders need to agree on the triggering event that opens communications. It also needs to occur after we agree on RP rules.

[PJayTycy]

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Papa-O,

Thanks for the hidden information. Swords huh. Message received.

Pin Yen


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Something like this then? Everybody posting in their "own" co[u]lour might make it even easier for others to follow the public debates.

[binTravkin]

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Daddy-O

[RobWorham]

Indeed, posting roleplay talk in your team colour (or as close a shade as possible) would make life much easier for those of us who don't know all the team members from all the teams - whoever they might be??