Reply With QuoteWhat is this "monday diplogame front" that is at the bottom? :|
Me.
That's why the youth in the USA don't have many rights. Their activists have boring long speeches and the politicians have fallen asleep before the reached the end.Originally posted by OzzyKP
I was thinking of lengthening it...
And it also shows the difference between you (non profit) and me (commercial)
Keep it brief to enlarge your audience
Formerly known as "CyberShy"
Carpe Diem tamen Memento Mori
What is this "monday diplogame front" that is at the bottom? :|
Me.
Most probably a game that was supposed to be played at monday, back in 2001. It either never started, or Ozzy just lacks info about that game.
Formerly known as "CyberShy"
Carpe Diem tamen Memento Mori
In a few years people will start to ask why HOTW X was never played. I suggest we keep it out of the FAQ
Formerly known as "CyberShy"
Carpe Diem tamen Memento Mori
Why not shorten the FAQ, but have extra content in a attached "Diplo Manual.doc"?
Modern man calls walking more quickly in the same direction down the same road “change.”
The world, in the last three hundred years, has not changed except in that sense.
The simple suggestion of a true change scandalizes and terrifies modern man. -Nicolás Gómez Dávila
Originally posted by CyberShy
Amazing, I never really checked the history of all the games that were played so far (only read the FAQ) and I'm proud to see that my diplo game, back from 1999, was even recorded!!!! I'm there, 1999, CyberShy (Germany) and I just noticed that Frank was in there as well!
It's safe to say that Frank and me are the most ancient diplogame players around 8) (Ok, Frank was there from the beginning, he's even more ancient).
Ozzy, Frank and The Capo are the most veteran players apparantly.
Is it possible to include HOTW6 as well?
We've played quite a few sessions and I think we should be included.
Great work for recording this Ozzy! You're really dedicated!
Some of us jsut got a bit busy with life... I played from the ealry games, not as early as frank and cyber, but well before the community got so big.
Makes me laugh often to be referred to as a NEWBIe to DIPLO games.
GM of MAFIA #40 ,#41, #43, #45,#47,#49-#51,#53-#58,#61,#68,#70, #71
I don't know why anyone would call you a newbie.
But I noticed that there have been arguments in the current diplogames, which are pitboss games, and a clamoring for an updated FAQ or at least a list of "rules." I don't like making rules for diplogames, but if certain people think they are necessary I would like to be a part of making these rules to make sure that they aren't too obtrusive to the game itself.
So if anyone would like to help make an updated FAQ for CivIV/BtS I would be interested in being involved in that.
Any takers?
"Our cause is in the hands of fate. We can not guarantee success. But we can do something better; we can deserve it." -John Adams
One Love.
I have no time anymore. I'd like to see you and CS write up a new draft.
Captain of Team Apolyton - ISDG 2012
When I was younger I thought curfews were silly, but now as the daughter of a young woman, I appreciate them. - Rah
We need not so much rule of the game, but rules for the type of player who wants to play.
If it a true diplo game it is all about the community. By placing so many hard and fast rules it becomes just another Civ MP game.
Try to avoid that.
If people dont like the way we play then they dont have to play.
GM of MAFIA #40 ,#41, #43, #45,#47,#49-#51,#53-#58,#61,#68,#70, #71
I agree with Ras, of course, I didn't want rules per se, just a guideline similar to the FAQ that was originally written.
An explanation of what we are trying to accomplish, a description of things that have happened and maybe new applications for existing Civ IV game-rules that we can either take advantage of or use for our purposes.
Pretty much a statement of purpose, similar to our declaration of independence in the sense that it spells out a mission statement rather than rules that people have to abide by. Of course certain rules should exist, I was always a proponent of a "no complete conquest" rule.
I was also thinking of maybe creating a diplogame mod, if that is possible.
What I mean is adding things that may bolster the diplogame or at least help us achieve what we want, like I was thinking we could include the Inquisitor unit that they have in the Charlemagne scenario. One that would allow you to remove a religion from your cities. This would make religion and religious wars more dynamic. It could give you an unhappiness bonus, or lead to a rebellion within the city as a drawback of using the unit. Just a thought.
"Our cause is in the hands of fate. We can not guarantee success. But we can do something better; we can deserve it." -John Adams
One Love.
removing religion would be a great part of Diplo style.
GM of MAFIA #40 ,#41, #43, #45,#47,#49-#51,#53-#58,#61,#68,#70, #71
The problem with that is that I don't really know how to mod, or know any modders really. I haven't asked though.
But I'm not suggesting a gigantic mod, nothing crazy like changing the tribes or leaders or flags or anything, just maybe adding an Inquisitor unit or changing some of the values of certain techs, units, etc.
But the greater issue is writing up a FAQ or a Diplogame Declaration of Purpose of some sort.
"Our cause is in the hands of fate. We can not guarantee success. But we can do something better; we can deserve it." -John Adams
One Love.
The problem is that normal Civ MP players want hard and fast rules. They dont want the "gentlemans agreements" by begging others to come join the DIPLO community we have watered down what we had.
DIPLO is not short for DIPLOMACY. it was named DIPLO as whilst it does involve diplmacy, it is more about playing your civ to a story, not about playing your civ to win.
Making choices based on your story not on what is best for makling your score increase or improving your civ.
You want to be a religous civ then build all the Relgious buildings not the commerce science and military ones.
want to change style then role paly a coup taking place.
it all about the role playing not the civ playing.
GM of MAFIA #40 ,#41, #43, #45,#47,#49-#51,#53-#58,#61,#68,#70, #71
I know that, I was talking about making an official mod for the game that isn't going to be a completely dramatic (basically not too hard on the modder) departure from the normal game.
Obviously a scoring system would have to be part of the new game just to make it different from a regular game. That said, do we really want to fill our ranks with "Normal civ MP players"?
I certainly don't, which is why I play diplogames rather than normal MP games.
But that is another discussion, I think our main goal here should be to revise the FAQ, possibly clarify what a diplogame really is, especially in regard to Civ IV and BtS and possibly to create an official scoring system (probably based on Ozzy's).
I also think a uniform code of ethics should be established for pitboss games as well. I don't know anything about those games as I have never been in one, so we would need more than just Rasputin and I to do this.
Assuming Rasputin is up for all of this.
"Our cause is in the hands of fate. We can not guarantee success. But we can do something better; we can deserve it." -John Adams
One Love.
long live DIPLO ./////
First rule of DIPLO... Dont talk to anyone about DIPLO
Second rule of DIPLO ....
Well, "Vikings" I think we actually want to talk about DIPLO.
A lot actually.
"Our cause is in the hands of fate. We can not guarantee success. But we can do something better; we can deserve it." -John Adams
One Love.
It a semi quote from fight Club movie
GM of MAFIA #40 ,#41, #43, #45,#47,#49-#51,#53-#58,#61,#68,#70, #71
I got the reference.
Well, since it doesn't look like I'm going to have a diplogame to play I can update the FAQ, but I'd rather have help. Not necessarily because I need it, but because my concept of a diplogame is not always the most popular so there should be a few hands involved in this.
"Our cause is in the hands of fate. We can not guarantee success. But we can do something better; we can deserve it." -John Adams
One Love.
i am happy to put my 2 cents in
As I. CS is good too.
Captain of Team Apolyton - ISDG 2012
When I was younger I thought curfews were silly, but now as the daughter of a young woman, I appreciate them. - Rah
Well, how should we go about doing this?
I was thinking we should assign sections of the current FAQ we have now to edit and then brainstorm on new sections we'd have to add. Obviously there will be a few of them since this doesn't seem to have been changed since Civ II.
"Our cause is in the hands of fate. We can not guarantee success. But we can do something better; we can deserve it." -John Adams
One Love.
I think we need to set the overall philosphy first.
What is Diplo gaming?
To me it is Role Palying a Civ game.
I don't think it is necessarily role playing.
It is somewhat of a role playing civ game, in the sense that you adopt the role of a nation's leader. Beyond that there is not a necessity to play as a certain person. That isn't to say that you shouldn't roleplay at all, everyone knows I do. But I don't think it is necessary in its essence.
I think it mostly involves advanced diplomacy beyond what the game offers. I don't know how to put my point into words really.
But there is a lot of role playing, yes, I agree with that. I just don't think that sums it up enough.
"Our cause is in the hands of fate. We can not guarantee success. But we can do something better; we can deserve it." -John Adams
One Love.
ok well i beleive i have misunderstood the whole thing.
To me diplomacy happens quite regularly in any Civ game.
So to call a game DIPLO it needs something to make it different and to me it was always the fact it was a roleplay game.
Posting the stories etc. Palying your game based on the stories.
You have to take into consideration that (a) in many MP games people never talk to eachother or trade, and (b) diplogames started in Civ2, where there was much less diplomatic options.
So a lot of what we wanted happened in Civ IV.
"Our cause is in the hands of fate. We can not guarantee success. But we can do something better; we can deserve it." -John Adams
One Love.
I take Diplo games, as civ games where players role play their civs, not the way the civs really where in history (which they can certainly do if they want) but the way civs would be in the world of the particular diplo game.
It is also centered on diplomacy, this makes it a very different game for some players, but not others always, since some always indulge in diplomacy in MP games. The style can be best summed up in as a game where there is a agreed upon standard of minimal diplomacy and a strong component of role playing.
The games are also more involved for the players that play them than normal MP.
BTW Welcome back Capo.
Edited: Typos and clarity
Last edited by Pitboss Rome; July 15, 2008 at 02:34.
BTW A shorter way to define it:
Diplo = the best way to play civ
I think its best to keep it simple. The roleplaying aspect originally started in diplogames as a propaganda tool, at least that is how I took it. I think HOTW2 was instrumental in forming the way diplogames are played now, while diplogames before that were great, I think HOTW2 marked the start of the advanced roleplaying we're seeing now. So it may be in people's interests to check out those threads if it is still around. HOTW2 also had discussions about the meaning of a diplogame etc. so it would be a nice place to look as a starting point for this discussion.
I am not knocking the roleplaying aspect at all, in fact if you check out the HOTW2 game I discussed I kind of went overboard with it (check out the elaborate Napoleon Bonaparte storyline), I think the main thing we should do now is write up a statement of purpose and then maybe edit the FAQ to reflect Civ IV/BtS changes.
"Our cause is in the hands of fate. We can not guarantee success. But we can do something better; we can deserve it." -John Adams
One Love.
I"ve updated it with DoC info and the new Doom of the Diplomats game.
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When I was younger I thought curfews were silly, but now as the daughter of a young woman, I appreciate them. - Rah
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