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    Roads give movement bonus and NOTHING else?

    Hi everyone

    I have found this statement in the pre-release information of civfanatics

    "Roads and Rail-Roads will only provide a movement bonus to your units and nothing else. This has been done so the player does not have Roads and Rail-Roads on every tile later on (unlike in Civilization III)."

    But there is no link to the site given the info. So my question is, can this be true ? If so, where does the info come from?

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    That's how it works in SMAC.

    Additionally in Civ4 they'll provide connections between cities for resource-distribution purposes.

    edit: As far as I recall it's also how it worked in CTP/CTP2. Roads giving resource benefits is unique to civ 1,2 and 3.
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    Was the most fitting smylie I could find.
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    Re: Roads give movement bonus and NOTHING else?

    Originally posted by Hamil
    I have found this statement in the pre-release information of civfanatics
    "Roads and Rail-Roads will only provide a movement bonus to your units and nothing else. This has been done so the player does not have Roads and Rail-Roads on every tile later on (unlike in Civilization III)."
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    /me likes this change too
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    Let's hope it's completely true!!!
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    If true then this will spell the end of the nasty road and railroad maze so common in Civ3.
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    And if it's not true, we'll soon find a mod that makes it true I guess
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    But Nikolai the Road Spammer won't like it.
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    Someone else had mentioned modding it such that you pay maintenace for roads. So you'd pay 1 gold for every so many road squares. Would be a mod I might like to try
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    Originally posted by prscormier
    Someone else had mentioned modding it such that you pay maintenace for roads. So you'd pay 1 gold for every so many road squares. Would be a mod I might like to try

    Most definitely


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    Originally posted by LordShiva


    But Nikolai the Road Spammer won't like it.
    Hehe...
    Well, I'd hope it was worth building roads more than just from A to B, but I'm pretty sure I manage to live with this too. I guess I'll have lots of idle workers in the game anyway, and if it doesn't give anything to have roads, I'd think it doesn't cost anything either, so who knows.
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    Originally posted by prscormier
    Someone else had mentioned modding it such that you pay maintenace for roads. So you'd pay 1 gold for every so many road squares. Would be a mod I might like to try
    I considered this too, don't remember who mentioned it though, but it's defently I mod I would like to try... that is if the AI can handle it
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    In CTP corruption & happiness was based on distance BUT distance was determined by movement points so a road decreased corruption and rioting, particularly if your city was on the other side of mountains from the capitol.
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    IIRC, in Civ3 a road link to the capital reduced city corruption by 15%.
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    Maintainence costs for roads would be a wonderfull idea! If buildings in cities need maintainence to keep from crumbling then so do roads. Unless of course it causes some kind of gameplay issue.

    But why stop at roads. Doesn't irrigated/mined/fortressed squares need maintainence? Maybe it would be a little too upsetting to gameplay to pay for all this stuff.
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    1 Gold piece for 3 tiles of road doesn't sound to bad.

    The most frugal player would barely build enough roads to connect all the cities.

    And 1 Gold piece for a RR, assuming unlimited movement, would sound about right too.

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    Unlimited movement.
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    Originally posted by Lancer
    Unlimited movement.
    Do we have any info on this btw? Wil we finally get rid of it?
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    Doubtful... but we'll see.
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    I'll still be building roads everywhere on my land if there's no fee. If somebody lands on your island, you're going to want to make sure you rush units to confront them before they can get near your cities. A road on every square will allow you do that quicker.

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    Movement bonus gets my troops to war faster.

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    Originally posted by Cookie Monster
    Doesn't irrigated/mined/fortressed squares need maintainence? Maybe it would be a little too upsetting to gameplay to pay for all this stuff.
    Yes, IMHO it will end in unbalancing or raising income per square to keep up.
    We now gain an amount of gold that can be considered as value after common (upkeep) costs.

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    Originally posted by alva


    Do we have any info on this btw? Wil we finally get rid of it?
    In Civ4, rails allow all units to move exactly 10 tiles...
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    Start recalculating your intercity distances people!
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    Originally posted by Soren Johnson Firaxis


    In Civ4, rails allow all units to move exactly 10 tiles...
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    Originally posted by Soren Johnson Firaxis


    In Civ4, rails allow all units to move exactly 10 tiles...
    Thanks for the reply Soren.
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