Reply With QuoteFairline's P51 is one of his best, but that title belongs to a '65 Mustang!Originally posted by curtsibling
The best Mustang unit ever....
That is truly amazing!
Are there any more of these unposted miracles around?
Fairline's P51 is one of his best, but that title belongs to a '65 Mustang!Originally posted by curtsibling
The best Mustang unit ever....
I have this de Havilland Vampire for AE II, if Harry needs it. It is a composite of Fairline's Meteor and P-38, and I had very little to do with it, but here it is anyway.
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Very nice
A Shelby GT350 or GT500 would do the trick. Best looking American car ever IMHOOriginally posted by Boco
Fairline's P51 is one of his best, but that title belongs to a '65 Mustang!
Cool! Thank you TyphoonOriginally posted by typhoon
I have this de Havilland Vampire for AE II, if Harry needs it. It is a composite of Fairline's Meteor and P-38, and I had very little to do with it, but here it is anyway.
Even better!Originally posted by Sarsstock
Well, in an attempt to be even closer I've lengthened the fuselage so it can be tappered off more, blended the wings into the fuselage more than in earlier attempts and changed the angles on the wings outer edges.
Apologies to Sarsstock for what seems like a horrible attempt at upstaging - I started this Sabre as soon as I saw Harry's list and before I knew Sarsstock was making one himself; it's my favourite early jet and I had to have a go....
Sarsstock's is smaller and more useable in a scenario I think; I got carried away with the size a bit
Well, there's no shame in being beaten by the best. My god, even your Sabre's shadow looks better than my attempt. Gareth I don't think Harry would mind the size of yours, I think he wanted to make use of the bigger ToT unit slot.
You really should post a ToT tutorial on airplane making if you have the time man, it would really bennifit the forum
Both of you have done an outstanding job!
yeah, definitely both are really good. It's like goodness and hey! more goodness!
Georgi Nikolai Anzyakov, Commander Grand Northern Front, Red Front Democracy Game
Mind-blowing!
The jet age has begun in the Scenario League!
This version has been resized to 95%. Looks a little less ridiculous.
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Again, this is a new unit, drawn by you. Why are you putting someone else's sig on it?Originally posted by typhoon
I have this de Havilland Vampire for AE II, if Harry needs it. It is a composite of Fairline's Meteor and P-38, and I had very little to do with it, but here it is anyway.
Amazing Sabre...
Sorry to disappoint mate, but I've never drawn a unit in my entire life, new or otherwise. As stated, the above Vamp was assembled together from various planes by Gareth (specifically the Gloster Meteor and P-38 Lightning.) General rule of thumb for me is the less I modify from the original, the better it looks.Again, this is a new unit, drawn by you. Why are you putting someone else's sig on it?
A sterling example below is this P-80 below. The base unit was originally by Jimmy, slightly improved by Curt and then fitted with bits of fairline's aircraft. The drop tanks come from Harry's Panther. As can be seen I have very little to do with each unit aside from pilfering and putting together the pieces, and of course f***ing it up along the way.
Truly, we are not worthy!
I tell thee, all these class units are almost enough to make me begin work on Soviet Steel ToT!
Mhm, Curt, would these infantry chaps make you actually make that scenario
Holy Christ, those jets are awesome! The detail is amazing
i still have regular civ2 (with fantastic worlds, of course), but every time i see somebody write ToT, i think of "Time on Target", where you have a whole bunch of artillery pieces in different locations fire in a certain order, so that all of the rounds arrive on the target at the same time...
@ cousarmy:
@ Curt: I´d have some more for you ... this one´s for MGE - though I guess you know I could come up with some ToT infantry fellers too ...
Bravo Steph
Resized the Vampire, to put it into proportion with the others.
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Everyone works from someone else's previous work. People cut and paste parts of different units all the time, making adjustments and modifications, but producing a new peice of unit art. But they don't put someone else's initials on it - it's misleading and it's wrong.Originally posted by typhoon
Sorry to disappoint mate, but I've never drawn a unit in my entire life, new or otherwise. As stated, the above Vamp was assembled together from various planes by Gareth (specifically the Gloster Meteor and P-38 Lightning.) General rule of thumb for me is the less I modify from the original, the better it looks.
A sterling example below is this P-80 below. The base unit was originally by Jimmy, slightly improved by Curt and then fitted with bits of fairline's aircraft. The drop tanks come from Harry's Panther. As can be seen I have very little to do with each unit aside from pilfering and putting together the pieces, and of course f***ing it up along the way.
Well all this debate about unit sig's aside, Curt I hope you can someday start up a ToT version of Soviet Steel. Its still one of my favorite scenario's, and the expanded graphic possibilities in ToT would make it even better my friend
Maybe I can employ ever last ounce of skill in my arsenal to make up a Mig-15 if it will help convince you to start the project up.... once your done with Tyrany of the Dalek's of course.
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I'm acknowledging my sources- not to do so is even more more misleading and wrong. It implies that the work is wholely original when it is clearly not.
Everyone works from someone else's previous work. People cut and paste parts of different units all the time, making adjustments and modifications, but producing a new peice of unit art. But they don't put someone else's initials on it - it's misleading and it's wrong.
Cheers, dude!Originally posted by Sarsstock
Well all this debate about unit sig's aside, Curt I hope you can someday start up a ToT version of Soviet Steel. Its still one of my favorite scenario's, and the expanded graphic possibilities in ToT would make it even better my friend
Maybe I can employ ever last ounce of skill in my arsenal to make up a Mig-15 if it will help convince you to start the project up.... once your done with Tyrany of the Dalek's of course.
I reckon a ToT Sov-Steel redux is a definite, this time with a giant Euro map!
So if you want to make any Soviet jets, or even what-if units - I would be honoured to use them!
I'm sorry, but you have a misconception about what constitutes "acknowledgement of sources". You're not stealing anyone's work here. This is all public domain stuff. The use of sigs on unit art is a convention that we have developed to acknowledge the ORIGINAL work of someone else when we use it in our scenarios. That's all.
If you simply put a new paint job on someone else's plane, I can maybe see retaining his or her sig. But if you make modifications of any significance, it's your work and only your sig should appear on the unit.
I'm not sure where I stand on this aspect of the unit signature debate. I've always advocated artists having they're signatures attatched to they're work, even if major alterations have been made to they're work by other artists the fact remains that it was the original artists work on which the new alterations were made to.
I suppose I'm leaning towards Typhoon on this one, but I'm curious what Gareth has to say on this issue since its more often than not his work upon which these alterations are made.
Well, I don't want to muddy this thread, seeing as we already have a few that deal with this sort of topic:
http://apolyton.net/forums/showthrea...hreadid=132574
http://apolyton.net/forums/showthrea...hreadid=133422
Anyways, why not create a small icon that will sit next to the signature of the intial creator signifying that the unit is not orginal work, but modified?
That way we'd know the original author did not modify the unit before us, but that the modifier used some of the original work. This way personal preference as to the quality of the unit will be directed at the modifier and not the innocent creator.
Yeah, why not? Any suggestions as to how this authentic icon would look?
I suggest a simple star, 3 pixels high, 3 pixels wide, using the pink transparency.
ahemOriginally posted by techumseh
Everyone works from someone else's previous work.
Not sure if I agree with this entirely. 'Modification' can take a hell of a lot of different forms. The planes that Typhoon has posted recently owe very little to the donors he started from and you are probably right - there is no need to acknowledge the 'originator' since he has effectively created a significantly different graphic. On the other hand there are some who post here (no names mentionedI'm sorry, but you have a misconception about what constitutes "acknowledgement of sources". You're not stealing anyone's work here. This is all public domain stuff. The use of sigs on unit art is a convention that we have developed to acknowledge the ORIGINAL work of someone else when we use it in our scenarios. That's all.
It's probably not worth getting too hung up on, but I think it's a courtesy to give a nod to the guy who spent hours drawing something which has subsequently been modified if the source graphic is still clearly recognisable in the new graphic. This is probably a little too subjective a judgement to make I guess.....
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