OFFICIAL 2004 CENSUS - Apolyton PBEM Forum

[Beta]

You too must have asked yourself this question:

How many PBEM games is Paddy in???

Well, this is when we find out. This is the, official ...

2004 PBEM Forum Census

Please post the following information:

Number of 2-4 player games you are involved in:

Number of 5-8 player games you are involved in:

Number of PBEM games played to completion:

List your top 3 favourite PBEM games:

Notes:

1. The number of players is based on the original game set-up, excluding AI opponents. (ie a 2 player, 6 AI game is in the 2-4 list).

2. The first category also includes the AU601 and 4 player tourney matches.

3. Include modded and conquest games. Do not include democracy games.

4. Include games you started and are still in, and games where you have permanently taken over for another player. (temporary subsitutions - eg for holidays - do not count)

5. Include all active or semi-active games. Include those where the game is temporarily halted because of vacations, as well as those that have been excruciatingly slow (eg. ISDG#1 and the Medieval Mod.) Exclude those that are clearly dead in the water (eg ISDG#2 and the first Youth in Asia) or those that have been completed. You get to report those separately, with our hearty congratulations.

6. Completed games only include those played here at Apolyton, and where a legitimate victory was won (ie the victory was not the result of everyone else quitting.)

7. Your list of favourite games may include completed games.

I will compile the stats and report back.

Please make an effort to be counted, and count your games.

Paddy - you're up.

[Rhothaerill]

2004 PBEM Forum Census

Originally posted by Beta
Number of 2-4 player games you are involved in:

- "AU601": 2 player/6 AI stock rules game, playing as Rome (vs. Beta as the Greeks)

- "The Grapes of Rhoth": 4 player/4 AI Rise of Rome scenario, playing as Persia (hasn't started yet)

Originally posted by Beta
Number of 5-8 player games you are involved in:

- "Seafaring": 7 player/1 AI stock rules game, playing as Portugal (I'm known as the 800lb. gorilla by Arnelos )

- "Mesopotamia": 7 player Mesopotamia scenario, playing as the Phoenicians (took over for benwa73 three turns into the game).

- "The Grand Passage": 5 player/3 AI Age of Discovery scenario, playing as Portugal (moves at almost a turn a day )

- "Youth In Asia 2": 7 player game, playing as Japan (Silent rules PBEM, hasn't started yet and is the attempt at a restart of a failed game.

- "IDG Blue Team": 5 player stock rules game, playing as the Celts (seems to be on hold for some reason ).

- "Random Random": 7 player stock rules game, playing as Korea (took over for Snotty about 25 turns into the game, my capital city is 4 tiles from another player's capital city ).

- "Gunboat Diplomacy": 7 player stock rules game, playing as Carthage (Silent rules PBEM, took over for Snotty on the first turn, but after the names were inputted)

Originally posted by Beta
Number of PBEM games played to completion:

- Not a single one. I've had about seven or so that have died, and one where I requested to be replaced because of the Arnelos curse. But three of my current ones (my favorites, see below) all have a good chance of finishing.

Originally posted by Beta
List your top 3 favourite PBEM games:

- The Grand Passage
- Mesopotamia
- AU601

[Rhothaerill]

Will no one else take the plunge and post?

[Beta]

2004 PBEM Forum Census


Number of 2-4 player games you are involved in:

7 games

Islands in the stream #1 (v1.15)
Islands in the stream #2 (v1.15)
Iron Civer Replacement Game #1
C3C Tourney Game #5 (is it alive??)
Rusty Nails
Grapes of Rhoth
Au601(Rhothaerill)

Number of 5-8 player games you are involved in:

18 games

Misfits (PTW)
ISDG#1 (PTW)
Create-a-Civ (PTW)
Team Game (PTW)
Intra team Red Game
Grand Passage
Mesopotamea
Medieval Mod
random-random
Gunboat diplomacy
Europe in Flames
Science 101
Jane
C3C Classics
Balderdash 2
Youth in Asia 2
Double Blind
Strictly Conquests

Number of PBEM games played to completion:

zero, zilch, none, nada

List your top 3 favourite PBEM games:

Grand Passage
Misfits
AU601

[Aqualung71]

Originally posted by Beta
Number of 2-4 player games you are involved in:

14

Number of 5-8 player games you are involved in:

6

Number of PBEM games played to completion:

2

List your top 3 favourite PBEM games:

1. Iron Civer Coliseum A (and not because I won )
2. All Day Round
3. Frog Stomp


And how many games am I in with Paddy?

TOO BLOODY MANY!!!!!

[Beta]

And how many games am I in with Paddy?

TOO BLOODY MANY!!!!! [/QUOTE]

Like the Baseball Hall of fame where you can do write-in votes for Pete Rose. Guess this should have been a standard census question.

[Kloreep]

Originally posted by Beta
Please post the following information:

Eek, blue like my MOO3 background. Bad BetaHound!

Number of 2-4 player games you are involved in:

Fumble

Number of 5-8 player games you are involved in:

Artificial Selection
C3C ISDG Intra-team Red PBEM
Double Blind
Serendipity
Intra-team Tabemono PBEM 2
Trial by Trait Team

Number of PBEM games played to completion:

None.

List your top 3 favourite PBEM games:

Not exactly fair to some new PBEMs I simply can't add yet, but:
1. Fumble (it actually moves consistently! )
2. Trial by Trait Team Game
3. Serendipity

[Aqualung71]

Yeh, Fumble was a very close 4th for me.....a good long term game that one

[Rommel2D]

Originally posted by Beta
How many PBEM games is Paddy in???

I think someone's fiscal year-end rush has ended...

[Hot_Enamel]

2004 PBEM Forum Census

Number of 2-4 player games you are involved in:

Phoenix (Completed)
Double or Nothing (Completed)
Pandora (Completed)
Glory of War (Completed)
Islands in the Stream #1 (Still Playing)
Islands in the Stream #2 (Still Playing)

Number of 5-8 player games you are involved in:

Misfits of Society (Still Playing)

Number of PBEM games played to completion:

Phoenix (Completed - Win )
Double or Nothing (Completed – 2 Winners)
Pandora (Completed - Loss)
Glory of War (Completed – Easy Win)

List your top 3 favourite PBEM games:

My favourites are those that have completed.
Misfits & Islands #1 & #2 although fun … still have a long way to go.

#4 Phoenix
Popped an early settler and never looked back.
Eliminated all of my opponents. One in each age.

#3. Pandora (3 players)
I started on an island continent
Soltz got stuck in jungle
Conqueror also got a poor start. (Only the 3 AI had nice starts)
My bold move of establishing a foothold on the main continent failed.
(I even used a Great Leader to rush a Forbidden Palace)
Conqueror kicked me off (destroying my FP) & then eventually also eliminated Soltz.
But my death was cause by my detour to Democracy while Conqueror sped to Marines.
He invaded & I died.
Loss

#2. Glory of War (3 players - Panzer & GengisFarb)
While waiting for the PTWDG Roleplay offensive, we set up this internal PBEM.
I easily killed them both off. (But then, who hasn’t killed GengisFarb in a PBEM ??)
My Golden Age & Mounted Warriors just rolled over them both with sheer numbers.
Neither stood a chance.
Best moment was Panzers last spearman in his capital killing my last three MW’s.
Panzer got a reprieve for 2 extra turns before I could rest and send in reinforcements.
Also, after I killed GF, he had a settler in a galley and sailed around the continent for about 20 turns.
I had about 10 galleys looking for him.
It took another 2 weeks &2 galleys to finally kill his last settler and win the game by Conquest.


#1 & clearly my favourite
The Double or Nothing EPIC.
4 players on a large map.
Nothing went right for me in this game.
I chose Arabia, but then found out that huts were turned off. (So much for explorers)
Large Map so everyone had plenty of room .. except for me who got squeezed next to Jungle & the Chinese Flandrien.
I got horses and had an ancient age war with China and eventually destroyed him.
Tiberius & Imtoops tech embargoed me for most of the Middle Age.
But I then snuck in a Great Library build, and got most of the techs (Including Democracy) for free.
Tiberius was clearly in the best position of the game, so I invaded when I got Marines & gutted his empire.
Tibs & Imtoops war alliance against me failed because of my Golden Age & a nice choke point. I could easily out-produce both of them. Once I got tanks we declared peace.
As we entered the modern age, Vondrack substituted in for Tiberius.
My golden age had pushed me ahead in tech in the Modern Age.
I was a few techs from a Space Ship win when I discovered ...I had no URANIUM !!!
(I held one third of the continent & didn’t have any uranium FFS)
I did a sneaky evil invasion into Imtroops, destroying 95% of his empire and hooked up his source of uranium for the one turn I needed it.
Vondrack invaded me while I rushed towards my last tech.
Hats off to Vondrack .. he had rebuilt the Egyptian empire to a military powerhouse.
I couldn’t retreat fast enough before his Mechanised Infantry & Modern Armor.
I misjudged how fast he could push into my territory, and realised he would take my only source of aluminium on the very turn I needed it for the last Space Ship Part.
I rushed some marines & hooked up a Naval Transport Chain.
On his turn, he took my aluminium
On my turn, I finished the last Space Ship Tech.
I invaded his empire with the use of a transport chain & marines.
Took one of his cities with a harbor.
Then marched into his territory with only a few cav & modern armor.
I took about 4 undefended core cities, hooked up his aluminium, and switch my prebuild to the last spaceship part.

This game was a complete EPIC.
On many turns, I spent hours just looking and studying the save. Moving masses of miltary trying to defend against vondracks huge army. Micromanaging every city.
I know Vondrack did the same… spending multiple hours playing each individual turn.

Unfortuately, there was controversy. Vondrack did not believe Ship Chaining was a valid tactic.
I clearly felt that it was.
It left a bitter end to what was the best civ experience I have ever had.
So … we called it a win for both of us.
I was clearly out-matched by Vondrack, and had no hope of holding out for much longer.
If it weren’t for chaining, he would have clearly won.
But then, if he knew ship chaining was allowed, he would have defended better.

Both of us won this game.

[Rommel2D]

Originally posted by Beta
Number of 2-4 player games you are involved in

0 Playing
4 Refereeing

Number of 5-8 player games you are involved in

5

Number of PBEM games played to completion

2 completely done
2 eliminated but others still playing
1 Refereed

List your top 3 favourite PBEM games

Tournament game #1
Balderdash, the First [do I need to have played in it? :-]
ASNG [This game is a PBEM juggernaut]

[Paddy]

Originally posted by Rommel2D


I think someone's fiscal year-end rush has ended...

let the beer lines flow with the golden juice of life

[Rommel2D]

Originally posted by Hot_Enamel

List your top 3 favourite PBEM games:
...
#4 Phoenix

For someone with such a storied history of strategic accomplishments, I'm surprised you have trouble counting to three.

[Rommel2D]

Originally posted by Paddy the Scot
let the beer lines flow with the golden juice of life

Ya get that keg of Celebrator Doppelbock tapped yet?

[sorry for spamming- I just noticed this is an OFFICIAL thread ;-]

[Aqualung71]

Originally posted by Rommel2D
[sorry for spamming- I just noticed this is an OFFICIAL thread ;-]

Oh is it? I got the distinct impression from HE's post that we're in the stories forum

And sorry if my response was a little short, but I assumed that when Beta asked for numbers, we should respond with....ummmm.....numbers.

[Paddy]

Originally posted by Beta
You too must have asked yourself this question:

How many PBEM games is Paddy in???

Well, this is when we find out. This is the, official ...

2004 PBEM Forum Census


I will compile the stats and report back.

Please make an effort to be counted, and count your games.

Paddy - you're up.

Cheeky Bugger

Number of 2-4 player games you are involved in:

27 games

Ozzy
Small
Tundra
Empire
AU 601
Mad World
Easy PBEM
Frog Stomp
Iron Empire
Brave World
Rise of Rome
Mice and Men
US Times Naval
A Time of Peace
Barbaric Pagans
Split Personalities
Love Thy Neighbour
Flight of the Pheonix
Chris, Vovan & Paddy
Time of the Legionare
Silk Road (3 civs each)
Bogor to the Slaughter
C3C Tournament Game 4
Rusty Nails (each has 2 civs)
Rugby Finals (each has 2 civs)
Chris, Vovan & Paddy Napoleonic
Box of Chocolates (each has 2 civs)


Number of 5-8 player games you are involved in:

16 games

AP
Fast
Europe
Overlord
Team PBEM
Randomizer
Science 101
Green Game
In the Mood
Who's Crusade
The Sundowners
Meso Conquests
The World of Hoth
Strictly Conquests
The Grand Passage
Napoleonic 2nd Coalition


Number of PBEM games played to completion:

11 games


Trial Game
Iron Civver
WWII Team
Hells Basement
Emperor Games
The Maxwell Tapes
Blood on the Water
Don Has Left The Building
Napoleonic British Russian Party
World War Two - The Pacific Theatre
Monty-Zuma (Rommel Conscripted me )


List your top 3 favourite PBEM games:

Emperor Games (The Napoleonic Scenario)
World War Two - The Pacific Theatre
The Maxwell Tape
Iron Civver

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Glad we are not listing the games of the dead
That is an all too sad event

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Oh yeah, this is not mentioning games at another site that some mad Pom dragged me into

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My confession: I like playing Civ, and enjoy the whole PBEM Concept



Thank you to the many players that make up this great community here in the PBEM Civ Group.



Join ya for a jug


Now here enjoy a good whiskey

/me passes over a glass of Old number 7

[Aqualung71]

Beta, I think you need to exclude Paddy's figures from the Census. Statistically, they will completely screw up the averages

[Beta]

Originally posted by Aqualung71
Beta, I think you need to exclude Paddy's figures from the Census. Statistically, they will completely screw up the averages

But they are part of the stats. Thans for the input so far folks.

OK - who is next.... Wittlich, vovan, alexman, conmcb, sabrewolf, ricketyclik, ChrisiusMaximus, Masuro, Ghengis, snoopdog, jshler, .........the list goes on.

[Rommel2D]

Originally posted by Paddy the Scot
Number of PBEM games played to completion:

11 games
...
Hells Basement
...
Monty-Zuma (Rommel Conscripted me )

Wasn't Hell's Basement the one we dropped in order to start up Monty-Zuma instead? I think the one you were conscripted for was AP/E QQ, which wasn't on your list. One wonders how many other games Paddy has lost track of...

List your top 3 favourite PBEM games:

Emperor Games (The Napoleonic Scenario)
World War Two - The Pacific Theatre
The Maxwell Tape
Iron Civver

What is this, a Python sketch? Fetch the Holy Handgrenade...!

[conmcb25]

Does this include Apoly only? Or do "other sites" count?????

[alexman]

Number of 2-4 player games:
1. Iron (4p)

Number of 5-8 player games:
1. PTW Classic (6p)
2. Europe in Flames (7p)
3. 6-player 2-a-day (5p)
4. Tarzan (6p)

Number of PBEM games played to completion:
1. Gathering Storm Euro (4p)
2. Strat 4 (4p)
3. Strat 3 (6p)
4. 2-a-day (4p)
5. Silent 2-a-day (3p)
6. AU 601 (2p)

Top 3 favorite PBEM games:
AU 601
2-a-day
Strat 3

[Beta]

Originally posted by conmcb25
Does this include Apoly only? Or do "other sites" count?????

Poly only.

[ChrisiusMaximus]

2 to 4 player games ;

Chris, Vovan and Paddy
Empire strikes back (or not)
High speed epic game
Mad World
Napland
Naval Battle PBEM North America or similar times
Noob Game USA
Rusty nails
Silk Road
Swift PBEM
Flawed PBEM
Time of the Legionaire

12 games in Total

5 to 8 players ;

Eden PBEM
Fast C3C PBEM
In the mood
Randomizer
Science 101
Second Coalition ( this game has a bug and seems to be over)

6 games in Total

Completed games ;

Trial game
Maxwell Tapes
Pax Celto Romano
World War 2- The Pacific Theatre

4 games in Total

Top 3 favourite games, this is a toughie as I like them all but for the sake of this thread here goes.

Pax Celto Romano
WW2 in the Pacific
Fast C3C PBEM

Im about to start 2 further games or at least Ive signed up for them and Im the mad Pom who talked Paddy into a couple of other games over at CGN, not listed here

[conmcb25]

2004 PBEM Forum Census

2-4player games

- "AU601": 2 player/6 AI stock rules game, playing as Greece (vs. MotownDennis as the Greeks)

- "The Grapes of Rhoth": 4 player/4 AI Rise of Rome scenario, playing as Rome (hasn't started yet)

-'Iron Civer AA Coliseaum'; sort of moving along another Arnelositis casualty.


5-8 player games

- "Mesopotamia": 7 player Mesopotamia scenario, playing as the Babs (took over for fephi)

- "The Grand Passage": 5 player/3 AI Age of Discovery scenario, playing as Spain (took over for Sir Osis a few turns ago) (moves at almost a turn a day )

- "IDG Green Team": 5 player stock rules game, playing as the Iroquois (Playing in spurts, this one has been affected by Arnelositis )

-'Balderdash, the Revenge of the Pathetic Clowns.' The game is a restart of a failed game. But the game doesn't matter just an excuse to have a trash talking thread.

-'Double Blind PBEM', some kind of a weird PBEM where Im playing the Dutch. We had this incredibly goofy way to pick our Civ's, I still dont understand, and now we are trying to come up with all kinds of rules including severly limiting diplomacy. Beta talked me into it. That figures

-'The Middle Ages PBEM' where I took over the Danes for Sir Osis, seems to be moving slow right now.

-'Conquests Only" PBEM here I took over for Tweedledum as the Byzantines.

How many have finished

- Not a single one. But three of my current ones (my favorites, see below) all have a good chance of finishing.

Favorites

- The Grand Passage
- Mesopotamia
- AU601

The Grapes of Rhoth may replace one of these as a favorite. Probably AU601, not because I dont like it but because I made a few dumb mistakes and its beginning to bite me in the but.[/QUOTE]

[Kloreep]

Originally posted by conmcb25
-'Double Blind PBEM', some kind of a weird PBEM where Im playing the Dutch. We had this incredibly goofy way to pick our Civ's, I still dont understand, and now we are trying to come up with all kinds of rules including severly limiting diplomacy. Beta talked me into it. That figures

The limited diplomacy was in from the beginning. It's not our fault if you don't read the first post with the game specifics.

[conmcb25]

I know and thats what I get for listening to Beta

[Rhothaerill]

Originally posted by conmcb25
How many have finished

- Not a single one. But three of my current ones (my favorites, see below) all have a good chance of finishing.

Favorites

- The Grand Passage
- Mesopotamia
- AU601

Hey con, you're supposed to put your own information into the "How many have you finished" and "favorites" columns, not recycle mine.

[conmcb25]

Originally posted by Rhothaerill


Hey con, you're supposed to put your own information into the "How many have you finished" and "favorites" columns, not recycle mine.

We think alike

ANd those are my favorites.

The rest are too new to tell right now.

[sabrewolf]

Originally posted by Beta
You too must have asked yourself this question:
How many PBEM games is Paddy in???

183?

Number of 2-4 player games you are involved in

8:
- all day round (4x 2civs)
- au601 (2, 6AI)
- dog vs. wolf (2, 6 AI)
- double the fun (4x 2civs)
- flawed (4)
- fumble (4)
- highspeed (4, 4AI)
- swift (4)

Number of 5-8 player games you are involved in

3:
- 6-player 2-a-day (5)
- fast (5, 3AI)
- ptw classics (6)

Number of PBEM games played to completion

5:
- APE2 (Accellerated Production, Elimination)
- 1on1 A (2, 5AI)
- 1on1 B (2, 5AI)
- ironciver C
- WW2 vs sid japan (4, 1AI)

List your top 3 favourite PBEM games

1) au601: why? read my DAR
2) PTW classics: it's not often you get to play against 5 (now just 4 left) players, that have civ3 strategies named after them
3) all day round (4x 2civs): AP can be incredible fun!

[sabrewolf]

woah! some of you guys are really extreme! (43 for paddy, 25 for beta, 20 for aqua)!

i peaked at 15 games and was starting to think about finding replacement in some. then came the summer lethargy with several games stalling which even made it possible to start 4 new intense games (4 times 1vs1 games against andydog... including au601. 2 finished, 1 soon)

at least i'm currently "2nd-best" at completed games