Reply With QuoteExcellent E! I hope we can use some of those.
I'm going to go through the changes now and post the files changed later.
Here's the CtP1 Artillery BTW.
There are a lot of bonus combinations I'll post hecdb so you can see:
Code:#----------------------------------------------------------------------------- # # Project : Call To Power 2 # File type : dbgen input # Description : Unit type descriptor # Id : $Id:$ # # ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- # # Disclaimer # # THIS FILE IS NOT GENERATED OR SUPPORTED BY ACTIVISION. # # This material has been developed at apolyton.net by the Apolyton CtP2 # Source Code Project. Contact the authors at ctp2source@apolyton.net. # #----------------------------------------------------------------------------- # # Modifications from the original Activision code: # # - Government specific options added (Martin Gühmann). # - MapIcon database added (22-Feb-2007 Martin Gühmann) # - Leader option added. # - NoBarbarian : Added by tombom # - CantGroup : For future use to make solo moving units # - CanSettleOn : Added by E restricts settling to certain # terrains # - UpgradeTo : FutureUse to create Upgrade Paths, cost based # on difference ShieldCost x Gold? # - CultureOnly : Added by E -- can only build units if civ has # certain citystyle # - CityStyleOnly : Added by E -- can only build units at cities # with certain citystyle # - SettleImprovement : Future use - for units to make specific imps # like forts # - HiddenNationality : Future use for Civ3 like trait maybe same as # Cloak? # - IsWorker : Future use -- with TerrImp flag NeedsWorker to # limit certain imps or Civ3-like mods # - PopCostsToBuild : Added for future use to deduct more than one # pop for units # - CanCaptureTile : For FutureUse to change ownership of tile # - GoldHunger : Add for future possibility of gold cost per # turn per unit # - CantGroup : For future use to make solo moving units # - IsPeaceKeeper : FutureUse have higher regard cost if attacked # and ignore territory # - NeedsCityGood : Added by E to implement strategic resources # - PrerequisiteBuilding : Added by E to limit units to cities with # certain buildings # - NeedsCityGoodAll : FU attempt to implement strategic resources # - AllTerrainAsImprovement : Future use - like AllTerrainRoads # - ObsoleteByUnit : FU instead of avdance for later upgrade # - NonLethalBombard : Lessen bombard strengthen like old civ3 # - CanBombardTiles : Allows bombarding of tile improvements # - CollateralTileDamage : If a defender is on a tile then improvements cut # too # - GoodyHutExcluded : Prevents Some Units from appearing # - ExcludedByWonder : Prevents Units being built in cities with wonder # - PrerequisiteWonder : Needs Wonder in city to be built # #----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sprite : Int Sound : File MapIcon : File SpecialEffect : Int SpecialAttackInfo { Record Sound SoundID Record SpecialEffect SpriteID } Unit { Bits MovementType { Land, Sea, Air, Mountain, Trade, ShallowWater, Space } #uint32 cargo_flag; Bits CanCarry { SmallLand, MedLand, LargeLand, SmallAir, MedAir, LargeAir, SmallWater, MedWater, LargeWater, SmallSpace, MedSpace, LargeSpace } Record Advance EnableAdvance Record Advance[0..5] ObsoleteAdvance Record Building[] PrerequisiteBuilding // Added by E to limit units to cities with certain buildings Record Building[] ExcludedByBuilding //to prevent some units being built Record Government[] GovernmentsModified Record Terrain[] CanSettleOn // Added by E restricts settling to certain terrains Record Unit[] UpgradeTo // Upgrade Paths, cost based on difference ShieldCost x Gold? Record Unit[] ObsoleteUnit // If unit is available then this unit cant be built Record CityStyle[] CultureOnly // Added by E -- can only build units if civ has certain citystyle Record CityStyle[] CityStyleOnly // Added by E--can only build units at cities with certain citystyle Record Civilisation[] CivilisationOnly // Added by E -- can only build units if player is a specific civ Record TerrainImprovement[] SettleImprovement // entrenching units make specific imps like forts Record Resource[] NeedsCityGood // Must have good in radius of city or buying resource to build Record Resource[] NeedsCityGoodAll // A city must have all resources listed to build unit Record Resource[] NeedsCityGoodCapitol // not implemented Record Resource[] NeedsCityGoodAnyCity // must have a good in any city to build Record Feat[] NeedsFeatToBuild // Feat must have occured for unit to be built Record Wonder[] PrerequisiteWonder // Added by E to limit units to cities with certain wonders Record Wonder[] ExcludedByWonder // to prevent some units being built Bit(Int) MoveBonus // Instead of specifying an imp why not define the movecost here? by E Bit(Int) PWMoveCost // FU - Deducts PW when unit moves Bit(Int) MerchantGold // FU - to allow a unit to grant gold in other territory Bit IsGreatBuilder // FU - completes building Bit IsGreatArtist // FU - one day I may add culture / influence Record TerrainImprovement[] AllTerrainAsImprovement // future use - like AllTerrainRoads Record Unit [] ObsoleteByUnit // Intead of advance for later upgrade Bit NonLethalBombard // lessen bombard strengthen like old civ3 Bit CanBombardTiles // allows bombarding of tile improvements Bit CollateralTileDamage // if a defender is on a tile then improvements cut too Bit PrecisionStrike // When bombing city only destroys buildings Bit TargetsCivilians // When bombing city only kills a pop Bit ImmuneToHostileTerrain // Protects units from terrain that deducts HP Bit CanRebase // FU to rebase CantMove units Bit MultipleAttacks // Can attack more than once in a turn (Civ3 - blitz) Bit CanBeGifted // Disbanding unit gives it to the friendly player Bits Size { Small, Medium, Large } Struct SuccessDeath { Float Chance, DeathChance } Struct SuccessDeathEffect { Float Chance, DeathChance Record Sound Sound Record SpecialEffect Effect } Bit LossMoveToDmgNone Bit LossMoveToDmgTwo Bit NoFuelThenCrash Bit TransformPartial Bit IgnoreZOC Bit NoZoc Bits CanBombard { Land, Air, Water, Space, Mountain } Bit CanCounterBombard Bit CanLiftOff Bits Settle { Land, Water, Mountain, Space } Record Unit SettleCityType Int SettleSize = 1 Record Building[] SettleBuilding # Int is number of turns to stay in space Bit(Int) SpaceLaunch Bit SpaceLand Bit CantCaptureCity Bit HasPopAndCanBuild Bit IsTrader Bit ExertsMartialLaw Bit CanEntrench Bit CanPatrol Bit NeedsNoSupport Bit CanExpelPop Bit IsFlanker Bit CanBeachAssault Bits Defend { Land, Air, Water, Space, Mountain // } Bit(Float) DefendAgainstSpies Bit CanBeExpelled Bit CanBeSued Bit AttackFromSpaceship Bit CantBeAttacked Bit CargoPod Bit IsFoot // Added by E for additional battle modifiers Dec-7-2005 Bit IsMounted Bit IsSiege // Added by E for additional battle modifiers Dec-7-2005 Bit IsWheeled // Added by E for additional battle modifiers Dec-7-2005 Bit IsMechanized // Added by E for additional battle modifiers Dec-7-2005 Bit IsHelicopter // Added by E for additional battle modifiers Dec-7-2005 Bit IsSubmarine Bit IgnoreCityWalls Bit NoLandAttack Bit NoSeaAttack Bit NoAirAttack Bit NoSpaceAttack Bit NoUnderwaterAttack Bit NoMountainAttack Bit NoShallowWaterAttack Bit Paratrooper Bit AssistedDrops Bit BonusAgainstFoot // Added by E for additional battle modifiers Dec-7-2005 Bit BonusAgainstMounted Bit BonusAgainstSiege // Added by E for additional battle modifiers Dec-7-2005 Bit BonusAgainstWheeled // Added by E for additional battle modifiers Dec-7-2005 Bit BonusAgainstMechanized // Added by E for additional battle modifiers Dec-7-2005 Bit BonusAgainstHelicopter // Added by E for additional battle modifiers Dec-7-2005 Bit BonusAgainstGuerrilla // Added by E for additional battle modifiers Dec-13-2005 Bit BonusAgainstSpecialForces // Added by E for additional battle modifiers Dec-13-2005 Bit BonusAgainstSubmarine // Added by E for additional battle modifiers Dec-13-2005 Bit SingleUse Bit BonusAirDefense Bit WoodenShip Bit AttackFootBonus // Added by E for additional battle modifiers Dec-7-2005 Bit AttackMountedBonus // Added by E for additional battle modifiers Dec-7-2005 Bit AttackSiegeBonus // Added by E for additional battle modifiers Dec-7-2005 Bit AttackWheeledBonus // Added by E for additional battle modifiers Dec-7-2005 Bit AttackMechanizedBonus // Added by E for additional battle modifiers Dec-7-2005 Bit AttackHelicopterBonus // Added by E for additional battle modifiers Dec-7-2005 Bit AttackSpecialForcesBonus // Added by E for additional battle modifiers Dec-13-2005 Bit AttackCivilianBonus // Added by E for additional battle modifiers Dec-13-2005 Bit AttackGuerrillaBonus // Added by E for additional battle modifiers Dec-13-2005 Bit AttackWoodenShipBonus Bit HasAttackCityBonus Bit HasAttackBonusSubmarine Bit(Int) ReplaceWithCargoModule Bit VisibileAttacking Bit(struct SoundAndEffect) NuclearAttack Bit CanSue Bit IsStealthy Bit SeeSurfaceFromSpace Bit EstablishEmbassy Bit ThrowParty Bit HearGossip ## Struct AttackAgeBonus { ## Record Age Age ## Bit Bonus ## } Struct StealTechnologyData { Float RandomChance Float SpecificChance Float DeathChance Record Sound Sound Record SpecialEffect Effect } Bit(Struct StealTechnologyData) StealTechnology Struct InciteRevolutionData { Float Chance Float EliteChance Float DeathChance Record Sound Sound Record SpecialEffect Effect } Bit(struct InciteRevolutionData) InciteRevolution Struct AssasinateRulerData { Float Chance Float EliteChance Float DeathChance } Bit(Struct AssasinateRulerData) AssasinateRuler Struct InvestigateReadinessData { Float Chance Float EliteChance Float DeathChance } Bit(Struct InvestigateReadinessData) InvestigateReadiness Bit NullifyCityWalls struct ChanceEffect { Float Chance Record Sound Sound Record SpecialEffect Effect } Bit(Struct ChanceEffect) CreateFranchise Struct CauseUnhappinessData { Float Chance Int Timer Int Amount Record Sound Sound Record SpecialEffect Effect } Bit(Struct CauseUnhappinessData) CauseUnhappiness Bit(struct SoundAndEffect) ConductHits Bit(struct ChanceEffect) BioTerror Bit(struct ChanceEffect) NanoTerror Bit(struct ChanceEffect) Plague Struct SlaveRaidsData { Float Chance, DeathChance Int Timer, Amount Record Sound Sound Record SpecialEffect Effect } Bit(Struct SlaveRaidsData) SlaveRaids Struct SoundAndEffect { Record Sound Sound Record SpecialEffect Effect } Bit(struct SoundAndEffect) SettlerSlaveRaids Bit(struct SoundAndEffect) SlaveUprising Bit(struct SuccessDeathEffect) UndergroundRailway Bit VictoryEnslavement Bit DefuseLandMines Bit DefuseSeaMines Bit DefuseXrayMines Bit(struct SoundAndEffect) IndulgenceSales Bit(struct SuccessDeathEffect) ConvertCities Bit BuildXrayMines Bit BuildWonder Record Government[] GovernmentType Bit NoSlaves Bit CreateRift Bit CanCloak Bit HiddenNationality // future use for Civ3 like trait maybe same as Cloak? Bit SneakAttack // Can attack without war declared Bit SneakPillage // Can Pillage without war declared Bit SneakBombard // Can Bombard without war declared Bit ParatrooperTransport Bit CantBuild Struct PlantNukeData { Float Chance, EscapeChance Record Sound Sound Record SpecialEffect Effect } Bit(Struct PlantNukeData) PlantNuke Bit IsTelevangelist Bit(struct SoundAndEffect) CanSoothsay Bit CanBeRustled Bit(struct SoundAndEffect) CreateParks Bit (struct SoundAndEffect) CanInjoin Bit WormholeProbe Bit HasBonusFood Bit LandCityCanBuild Bit SeaCityCanBuild Bit SpaceCityCanBuild Bit IsSpecialForces // EMOD Bit IsPeaceKeeper // EMOD Bit IsGuerrilla // EMOD Bit IsWorker // Future use -- with TerrImp flag NeedsWorker to limit certain imps or Civ3-like mods Bit NotAffectedByLandMines Bit InternalReserved Bit DeathEffectsHappy Bit EnableCarrierDefenses Bit ActiveDefenseOnlyWhenCarryingEnablers Bit BuildingRemovesAPop Bit(Int) PopCostsToBuild // Added for future use to deduct more than one pop for units Bit Explodes Bit Advertise Bit CanRustle Bit OnlyBuildOne Bit CanExpel Bit(struct SoundAndEffect) CanReform Bit CanPillage Bit CanPirate Bit CanCaptureTile // change ownership of tile Int ReducesDefensesBonus = 0 // FU #uint32 visibility_classes; Bits VisionClass { Standard, Underwater, Stealth, UnusedBit3, UnusedBit4, UnusedBit5, UnusedBit6, UnusedBit7, UnusedBit8, UnusedBit9, UnusedBit10, UnusedBit11, UnusedBit12, UnusedBit13, UnusedBit14, UnusedBit15 } #uint32 visibility_abilities; Bits CanSee { Standard, Underwater, Stealth, UnusedBit3, UnusedBit4, UnusedBit5, UnusedBit6, UnusedBit7, UnusedBit8, UnusedBit9, UnusedBit10, UnusedBit11, UnusedBit12, UnusedBit13, UnusedBit14, UnusedBit15 } # uint32 attackFlags; Bits CanAttack { Land, Sea, Air, Mountain, Trade, ShallowWater, Space, Underwater } Struct CargoData { Int MaxCargo Record Sound Load Record Sound Unload } Bit(Struct CargoData) CargoData Int ShieldCost Int PowerPoints Int MaxHP Float MaxHPr = 1.0 Float Attack Float Defense Int Firepower Int ZBRangeAttack Float Armor Bit(Int) BRange Bit (Int) BRadius Int VisionRange Int ActiveDefenseRange Bit (Int) ElectronicCombatFactor Float MaxMovePoints Int MaxFuel Bit(Int) TransType Bit(Int) ProbOfBombHit Bit(Int) BombRounds Int ShieldHunger Int FoodHunger Int GoldHunger = 0 // Add for future possibility of gold cost per turn per unit Record Sprite DefaultSprite Bit(Int) LaunchPollution Bit(Int) DeathPollution Bit(Float) MountedBonus Bit(Float) AirBonus Bit(Float) WoodenShipBonus Bit(Float) AttackCityBonus Bit(Float) AttackBonusSubmarine Bit(Float) FootBonus // added by E for additional battle modifiers Dec-31-2005 Bit(Float) SiegeBonus // added by E for additional battle modifiers Dec-31-2005 Bit(Float) WheeledBonus // added by E for additional battle modifiers Dec-31-2005 Bit(Float) MechanizedBonus // added by E for additional battle modifiers Dec-31-2005 Bit(Float) HelicopterBonus // added by E for additional battle modifiers Dec-31-2005 Bit(Float) SpecialForcesBonus // added by E for additional battle modifiers Dec-31-2005 Bit(Float) CivilianBonus // added by E for additional battle modifiers Dec-31-2005 Bit(Float) GuerrillaBonus // added by E for additional battle modifiers Dec-31-2005 Bit(Float) AgainstMountedBonus Bit(Float) AirDefenseBonus Bit(Int) CargoModule Bit(Float) SpyVsSpy Struct InvestigateCityData { Float Chance, EliteChance, DeathChance } Bit(Struct InvestigateCityData) InvestigateCity Bit(Int) BonusFood #uint32 govs #Record Government[] Govs Bit(Int) BombardRange struct RevolutionData { Record Sound Sound Record SpecialEffect Effect } Bit(struct RevolutionData) Revolution Record Sound SoundSelect1 Record Sound SoundSelect2 Record Sound SoundMove Record Sound SoundAcknowledge Record Sound SoundCantMove Record Sound SoundAttack Record Sound SoundWork Record Sound SoundVictory Record Sound SoundDeath Record Sound SoundLoad Record Sound SoundUnload # This doesn't need to be here any more. Record SpecialAttackInfo[0..8] SpecialAttacks Bit(Float) CityGrowthCoefficient # uint32 userFlags Bits UserFlags { UF1, UF2, UF3, UF4, UF5, UF6, UF7, UF8, UF9, UF10, UF11, UF12, UF13, UF14, UF15, UF16, UF17, UF18, UF19, UF20, UF21, UF22, UF23, UF24, UF25, UF26, UF27, UF28, UF29, UF30, UF31 } Record Icon DefaultIcon Bit NoIndex Bit (int) CheatIndex StringId Description Bit (StringId) Advice StringId Category Bit GLHidden Bit CantMove // set this flag for units that non-evil AI's should not attack Bit Civilian Bit NoBarbarian // Added by tombom Bit GoodyHutExcluded // Prevents Some Units from appearing by E Bit CanHarvest // Added by E to add Gold and Shields from terrain Bit CantGroup // For future use to make solo moving units Bit SpawnsBarbarians // Entrenched unit spawns barbs in foreign territory Bit CanSinkInSea // to implement ConstDb Chance_lost_at_sea Bit Leader // Special "king" unit #Energy Code Int EnergyHunger = 0 Int ProducesEnergy = 0 }
Excellent E! I hope we can use some of those.
I'm going to go through the changes now and post the files changed later.
Here's the CtP1 Artillery BTW.
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Maq,
here is the latest units.txt. It has the corrected tank and helicopter and I added the goldhunger values (game option)
hope you didnt get too far.
Nope, it only took me 5 minutes to back track so it's fine.
I was thinking about possible bonuses, creating a kind of paper, scissors, stone (or rock, paper, scissors if you like) system, something like this:
Ancient/Classical:
Legion: Bonus vs Hoplites.
Hoplite: Bonus vs M. Archers.
M. Archer: Bonus vs Legion.
Range/Siege as support.
Note: Elephant would work better as the flanker here, but it's not important now.
Medieval:
Samurai: Bonus vs Pikemen.
Pikemen: Bonus vs Knights.
Knights: Bonus vs Samurai.
Range/Siege as support.
Renaissance:
Musketeer: Bonus vs Infantryman.
Infantryman: Bonus vs Cavalry. Maybe remove this and leave it to Pikemen (if they were stronger) to defend against mounted in both eras.
Cavalry: Bonus vs Musketeer.
Range/Siege as support.
Industrial/Modern/Computer: This is a tricky one as we don't have an obvious counter for Tanks at the front. For the moment lets suggest the counter is from range. That would leave something like this:
Fascist/Marine/Para: Bonus vs Artillery/Missiles.
M. Gunner: Bonus vs Fascist/Marine/Para.
Tank: No bonuses, blitz?
Artillery/Missiles: Bonus vs Tank.
Genetic/Diamond/Future: again counter from range as the armour at the front is too low to stay alive long enough to really counter Tanks.
Hover Inf: Bonus vs War Walker.
Plasmatica: Bonus vs Hover Inf.
Fusion Tank: No Bonuses, blitz?
War Walker: Bonus vs Fusion Tank.
If i understand it right, at the moment the only way we can differentiate between "attack" and "defense" units, is if we assign the current flags like this:
Attack: IsMechanized or IsWheeled. No other units would have to use these anyway.
Defense: IsFoot.
Flank: IsMounted.
Range: IsSiege.
Also units of a different era would get bonuses. For example Infantryman would get bonuses vs Tank and Fusion Tanks, but would do no damage because of Tank armour, so it's still realistic.
This is all assuming our coders don't add anymore flags at least.
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Woah... well I guess that's a nice proposal Maq, sounds pretty ok
What I'm not sure of is what the bonus gives, it looks like a bonus to attack only? Which would mean range units bonus would be ineffective against Tanks, until it came onto the frontline, but then it'd be destroyed pretty quickly.
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Originally posted by Maquiladora
If i understand it right, at the moment the only way we can differentiate between "attack" and "defense" units, is if we assign the current flags like this:
Attack: IsMechanized or IsWheeled. No other units would have to use these anyway.
Defense: IsFoot.
Flank: IsMounted.
Range: IsSiege.
Also units of a different era would get bonuses. For example Infantryman would get bonuses vs Tank and Fusion Tanks, but would do no damage because of Tank armour, so it's still realistic.
This is all assuming our coders don't add anymore flags at least.
The Is and BonusAgainst flags are easy to add so if you have suggestions I'll add them.
I never tried the age bonus thing because it has a lot of variables (dianond versus classic, you'd almost have to label all the ages).
But if you want to add more "Is" and "BonusAgainst" just list them here.
here's the code:
defenseCode:double UnitData::GetAttack(const UnitRecord *rec, const Unit defender) const { UnitRecord const * defrec = defender.GetDBRec(); if(!(rec->GetCanAttack() & defrec->GetMovementType())) { return 0.0; } double const baseattack = rec->GetAttack(); double attack = baseattack; if (defrec->GetWoodenShip()) { attack += baseattack * rec->GetAttackWoodenShipBonus(); } MapPoint dpos; defender.GetPos(dpos); double cityAttack; if ((g_theWorld->GetCell(dpos)->GetCity().m_id != (0)) && rec->GetAttackCityBonus(cityAttack) ) { attack += baseattack * cityAttack; } double submarineAttack; if (defrec->GetIsSubmarine() && rec->GetAttackBonusSubmarine(submarineAttack) ) { attack += baseattack * submarineAttack; } // EMOD double bonus; if (defrec->GetIsFoot() && rec->GetFootBonus(bonus)) { attack += baseattack * bonus; } if (defrec->GetIsMounted() && rec->GetMountedBonus(bonus)) { attack += baseattack * bonus; } if (defrec->GetIsSiege() && rec->GetSiegeBonus(bonus)) { attack += baseattack * bonus; } if (defrec->GetIsWheeled() && rec->GetWheeledBonus(bonus)) { attack += baseattack * bonus; } if (defrec->GetIsMechanized() && rec->GetMechanizedBonus(bonus)) { attack += baseattack * bonus; } if (defrec->GetIsSpecialForces() && rec->GetSpecialForcesBonus(bonus)) { attack += baseattack * bonus; } if (defrec->GetIsHelicopter() && rec->GetHelicopterBonus(bonus)) { attack += baseattack * bonus; } if (defrec->GetCivilian() && rec->GetCivilianBonus(bonus)) { attack += baseattack * bonus; } if (defrec->GetIsGuerrilla() && rec->GetGuerrillaBonus(bonus)) { attack += baseattack * bonus; } //EMOD Civ Bonuses July 2, 2006 if (defender.GetMovementTypeLand() && (g_theCivilisationDB->Get(g_player[m_owner]->m_civilisation->GetCivilisation())->GetOffenseBonusLand(bonus))) { attack += baseattack * bonus; } if (defender.GetMovementTypeAir() && (g_theCivilisationDB->Get(g_player[m_owner]->m_civilisation->GetCivilisation())->GetOffenseBonusAir(bonus))) { attack += baseattack * bonus; } if (defender.GetMovementTypeShallowWater() && (g_theCivilisationDB->Get(g_player[m_owner]->m_civilisation->GetCivilisation())->GetOffenseBonusWater(bonus))) { attack += baseattack * bonus; } //end EMOD return attack; }
Code:double UnitData::GetDefense(const Unit &attacker) const { const UnitRecord *attackRec, *myRec; Cell *cell = g_theWorld->GetCell(m_pos); attackRec = attacker.GetDBRec(); myRec = GetDBRec(); double def = GetPositionDefense(attacker); if(cell->GetCity().m_id != (0)) { const CityData *cityData = cell->GetCity().GetData()->m_city_data; Assert(cityData); if(attackRec->GetIgnoreCityWalls()) { def -= cityData->GetDefendersBonus(); def += cityData->GetDefendersBonusNoWalls(); } } double value = 0.0; if(attackRec->GetIsMounted()) { if(myRec->GetAgainstMountedBonus(value)) def += myRec->GetDefense() * value; else if(myRec->GetBonusAgainstMounted()) def += myRec->GetDefense(); } if(attackRec->GetMovementTypeAir()) { if(myRec->GetAirDefenseBonus(value)) def += myRec->GetDefense() * value; else if(myRec->GetBonusAirDefense()) def += myRec->GetDefense(); } //Additional Battle Modifiers by E 12-05-2005 if(attackRec->GetIsFoot() && myRec->GetFootBonus(value) ){ def += myRec->GetDefense() * value; } if(attackRec->GetIsSiege() && myRec->GetSiegeBonus(value) ){ def += myRec->GetDefense() * value; } if(attackRec->GetIsWheeled() && myRec->GetWheeledBonus(value) ){ def += myRec->GetDefense() * value; } if(attackRec->GetIsMechanized() && myRec->GetMechanizedBonus(value) ){ def += myRec->GetDefense() * value; } if(attackRec->GetIsHelicopter() && myRec->GetHelicopterBonus(value) ){ def += myRec->GetDefense() * value; } if(attackRec->GetIsGuerrilla() && myRec->GetGuerrillaBonus(value) ){ def += myRec->GetDefense() * value; } if(attackRec->GetCivilian() && myRec->GetCivilianBonus(value) ){ def += myRec->GetDefense() * value; } if(attackRec->GetIsSpecialForces() && myRec->GetSpecialForcesBonus(value) ){ def += myRec->GetDefense() * value; } // End EMOD sint32 intDef = (sint32)def; sint32 modDef = g_slicEngine->CallMod(mod_UnitDefense, intDef, m_id, attacker.m_id, intDef); if(modDef != intDef) def = modDef; return def; }
I don't think we need anymore just yet. First I'd like to test more if it's worth setting up.Originally posted by E
The Is and BonusAgainst flags are easy to add so if you have suggestions I'll add them.
I never tried the age bonus thing because it has a lot of variables (dianond versus classic, you'd almost have to label all the ages).
But if you want to add more "Is" and "BonusAgainst" just list them here.
Do you know if it's feasible to add a range attack bonus against certain units? I don't know if it checks what type of unit the ranged unit is targetting from the back line, but it would have to.
If not then it may be that we just have to have some frontline unit that is deadly against Tanks. Marines are the only suitable one that springs to mind, and later Hover Inf against Fusion Tanks.
Last edited by Maquiladora; May 9, 2007 at 13:39.
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how does a ranged attack bonus work? I'm not up on the mechanics on how ranged units work in ctp2. With more detail I can find in the codeOriginally posted by Maquiladora
Do you know if it's feasible to add a range attack bonus against certain units? I don't know if it checks what type of unit the ranged unit is targetting from the back line, but it would have to.
I'd say we keep the ranged attack of siege units as 1, since the movement's now lower than before.
I thought about Maq's idea of adding a bonus to MMS against tanks, but then the War Walker would need to have this bonus too. (we are changing CTP2's WW spider-horse-monkey thing sprite to CTP1's WW multirocketed mech, right?).
Interesting coincidence, I was watching the History Channel today, they were talking about the "TOW Missiles" (anti-tank missiles), which can be equipped either by infantry or humvees, because of their relative small size. Now, the TOW missiles are about, the size of an average adult human arm... so that would be akward launching a relativelly small missile from a ballistic missile platform...
I guess then, we would need another unit, to act as an anti-tank? (Something like the land version of a PT Boat?) Or we just make an additional range bonus against tanks, with the MMS and the WW? Or we increase the Fortify bonus of Defensive units / or, if possible, progresivelly increase the Fortify defense bonus after each turn until a limit, thus removing any exploit in a important zone, and giving cities a more easy time defending against attackers? (50%-75%-100%-150%-200%?)
I guess it should be something like the Defense bonus of Pikemen vs Mounted Units, but instead of Defense -- Ranged attack.Originally posted by E
how does a ranged attack bonus work? I'm not up on the mechanics on how ranged units work in ctp2. With more detail I can find in the code
Last edited by LemurMadness; May 9, 2007 at 14:31.
Given that we may not be able to have specific range attack bonuses (although I don't think it's any great loss), here's a quick revision:
Ancient/Classical:
Legion: Bonus vs Hoplites.
Hoplite: Bonus vs M. Archers.
M. Archer: Bonus vs Legion.
Range/Siege as support.
Note: Elephant would work better as the flanker here, but it's not important now.
Medieval:
Samurai: Bonus vs Pikemen.
Pikemen: Bonus vs Knights.
Knights: Bonus vs Samurai.
Range/Siege as support.
Renaissance:
Musketeer: Bonus vs Infantryman.
Infantryman: Bonus vs Cavalry.
Cavalry: Bonus vs Musketeer.
Range/Siege as support.
Industrial/Modern/Computer:
Fascist/Marine/Para: Bonus on city attack.
M. Gunner: Bonus vs Fascist/Marine/Para.
Tank: No bonuses, blitz? ignore city walls?
Fighter: Bonus vs Tank.
Missiles: Bonus vs Air.
Siege/Bomber as support.
Genetic/Diamond/Future:
Hover Inf: Bonus on city attack.
Plasmatica: Bonus vs Hover Inf.
Fusion Tank: No Bonuses, blitz? ignore city walls?
Stealth Fighter: Bonus vs Fusion Tank.
War Walker: Bonus vs Air.
Siege/Stealth Bomber as support.
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I totally missed it before, but can't air units just act as the anit-tank? It's actually quicker to get to Aerodynamics than Tank Warfare, so it's not a problem there. Another problem might be though that air units go to the back line just like range units, but this might be something to do with its range stats being equal or higher than its attack. I don't know the exact sorting order. But it's better than Missile/War Walker receiving the tank bonus IMO.Originally posted by LemurMadness
I guess then, we would need another unit, to act as an anti-tank? (Something like the land version of a PT Boat?) Or we just make an additional range bonus against tanks, with the MMS and the WW? Or we increase the Fortify bonus of Defensive units / or, if possible, progresivelly increase the Fortify defense bonus after each turn until a limit, thus removing any exploit in a important zone, and giving cities a more easy time defending against attackers? (50%-75%-100%-150%-200%?)
IMO anything below 100% bonus (fortify, bonus or terrain) is meaningless. It hardly has any effect on the outcome, which is not very intuitive and sometimes annoying for the player.
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You've got a point thereOriginally posted by Maquiladora
I totally missed it before, but can't air units just act as the anit-tank? It's actually quicker to get to Aerodynamics than Tank Warfare, so it's not a problem there. Another problem might be though that air units go to the back line just like range units, but this might be something to do with its range stats being equal or higher than its attack. I don't know the exact sorting order. But it's better than Missile/War Walker receiving the tank bonus IMO.I can hardly think about a tank firing shells at a plane, and actually hitting it. Bombers and Fighters are very weak units, so we can give them a proper use, I haven't seen the AI actually using Fighters or Bombers, which is a weird thing IMHO... I also don't know the exact sorting order, but I guess Fighters would go as attackers (front line = equal ranged and attack) and Bombers as ranged (back line = higher ranged than attack). I guess a bonus of 100% (Ranged and Attack) against Tanks (Tanks, Fusion Tanks) is ok? Althought that would make people using Tanks would go with MMS (Active Air Defense)...
What about progresivelly increase the fortify bonus?Originally posted by Maquiladora
IMO anything below 100% bonus (fortify, bonus or terrain) is meaningless. It hardly has any effect on the outcome, which is not very intuitive and sometimes annoying for the player.
I what I meant in the thread before, (Sorry for not properly defining it), is that in every turn, the fortified unit increases it's defense until a limit, from 50%, then the next turn 75%, then the next one 100%, then 150%, and then 200%. The next turn just keeps the 200%, without any bonus increase, thus giving it a total of 5 turns to build a 200% defense, and effectivelly defending cities, and important points before the enemy decides to strike them, besides doing this will allow the host civilization to recapture their cities without much effort.
EDIT: It's possible for the Spy Plane not to refuel? Sleep in the air?
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The m.archer used to have 20 range, but only the seventh unit can use this, now that it is ranged, even the second unit can use it, so I'm saying that m.archer attack should be 15. Also, it comes before the legion so it shouldn't be better.
Tank buster idea is very good, when we see a tank, just change the missile to AP.
I prefer war walker and plasmatica to move 2.
The thing about samurai coming one advance before pikes is that legions are newer and better than hoplites.
How about M. Archer has 15 attack then?Originally posted by HuangShang
The m.archer used to have 20 range, but only the seventh unit can use this, now that it is ranged, even the second unit can use it, so I'm saying that m.archer attack should be 15. Also, it comes before the legion so it shouldn't be better.
AP?Tank buster idea is very good, when we see a tank, just change the missile to AP.
What if Plasmatica moves 2 and HoverInf 3? The main reason I put Plasmatica as 2 originally was because it was so late in the game, where most units have 2+ moves.I prefer war walker and plasmatica to move 2.
Well spotted. To be honest I think Feudalism is already too crowded. At the moment it gives, Knights, Samurai, Pikemen and Longbowmen, that's silly.The thing about samurai coming one advance before pikes is that legions are newer and better than hoplites.
As you say Pikemen should come before their counter Samurai.
I don't want to go too deep into restructuring the tech tree now, but what do you think of something like multiple requirements, IIRC I think it was added to units.txt?
Knight - Horse Riding + Feudalism
Samurai - Iron Working + Feudalism
Pikemen - Iron Working + Horse Riding
Longbowman - Ballistics + Feudalism
This would have to mean however Feudalism does not require Horse Riding, Iron Working or Ballistics in it's path. So for example if you lost your capital, you could effectively race to Feudalism for the capital building, then backtrack for the military techs. As opposed to now, where you need to follow history more strictly but get a lot of techs you don't want to get to Feudalism. Just another option anyway.
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BingoOriginally posted by Maquiladora
What if Plasmatica moves 2 and HoverInf 3? The main reason I put Plasmatica as 2 originally was because it was so late in the game, where most units have 2+ moves.
It's very nice, but I don't quite understand something, the Advance will be there, but then to enable such units, it would be necesary to complete the other advances being not a requirement for Feudalism?Originally posted by Maquiladora
Well spotted. To be honest I think Feudalism is already too crowded. At the moment it gives, Knights, Samurai, Pikemen and Longbowmen, that's silly.
As you say Pikemen should come before their counter Samurai.
I don't want to go too deep into restructuring the tech tree now, but what do you think of something like multiple requirements, IIRC I think it was added to units.txt?
Knight - Horse Riding + Feudalism
Samurai - Iron Working + Feudalism
Pikemen - Iron Working + Horse Riding
Longbowman - Ballistics + Feudalism
This would have to mean however Feudalism does not require Horse Riding, Iron Working or Ballistics in it's path. So for example if you lost your capital, you could effectively race to Feudalism for the capital building, then backtrack for the military techs. As opposed to now, where you need to follow history more strictly but get a lot of techs you don't want to get to Feudalism. Just another option anyway.
I understand that making an independent Advance for each unit would be just too much, since the original game doesn't exceeds 4 Advances from it's "Mother" Advance.
I guess that would be the same case for Gunpowder and Plasma Weaponry, the first one because it has too many "Child" Advances (with the addition of "Infantry Tactics"), and the second one enables too much units.
well then there will be a lot of tech tree work
Yeah that's it. The aim is that you have a straightforward peaceful/diplomatic/scientific/economic tree, but with military units requiring a "fuller" tree to be researched.Originally posted by LemurMadness
It's very nice, but I don't quite understand something, the Advance will be there, but then to enable such units, it would be necesary to complete the other advances being not a requirement for Feudalism?
As long as we keep the 2 (or more) advances varied for different units, we won't enable so many units with one advance, or have to scatter them around the tech tree at inappropriate advances (Samurai at Bureaucracy). Although the Pikemen/Knights/Samurai/Longbowmen is the worst case of this. Rather than splitting them up among different single advances, they all require Feudalism, but something else specific (perhaps cheaper) aswell.I guess that would be the same case for Gunpowder and Plasma Weaponry, the first one because it has too many "Child" Advances (with the addition of "Infantry Tactics"), and the second one enables too much units.
Another one is Horse Riding requiring Ballistics, this makes no sense, but it's done so the Mounted Archer fits in. Actually Horse Riding should require Agriculture (or Animal Husbandry if you like), so then you could get the Trading Post quickly, but the M. Archer itself should require Horse Riding and Ballistics.
So units don't govern the tech tree, the tech tree governs the units, as it should be.
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Probably a lot of planning. It was only a suggestion anyway.Originally posted by HuangShang
well then there will be a lot of tech tree work
I've nearly finished adding all the stuff and updated the great library etc.
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Maq, this is a very rough change. One of CTP2's basics doing research for adquiring specific units, even if it requires getting an advance -- for example: Cavalry, Marine, Tank, Battleship; all dead-end advances. The objetive is switching goverments, from a scientific (passive) into a military (aggresive) one (might not be the case of technocracy).Originally posted by Maquiladora
Yeah that's it. The aim is that you have a straightforward peaceful/diplomatic/scientific/economic tree, but with military units requiring a "fuller" tree to be researched.
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So units don't govern the tech tree, the tech tree governs the units, as it should be.
What I would advice is, adding new advances, cheaper than its "mother" advance, but being limited to 4 child advances, like in vanilla CTP2.
However, ill be subject to any changes, supported by popular request.
Well this would be a LOT easier to plan, it's just a case of adding branches where needed, and being careful not to go over the 4 limit like you say.Originally posted by LemurMadness
What I would advice is, adding new advances, cheaper than its "mother" advance, but being limited to 4 child advances, like in vanilla CTP2.
My basic problem with the original tree was that you would get some units even on a peaceful path. Whereas military should be harder and costlier to obtain. There are some that are fine, like the 4 you mention, but earlier they tend to be linked to crucial advances.
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Protra has suggested that Nukes are too powerful, I agreed they are here: http://apolyton.net/forums/showthrea...88#post4921688
What about these changes?
Kills 75% pop > Kills 25% pop
Costs 4000 > 6000
Support 50 > 75
Another option is to make Anti-Ballistic Missile building cheaper.
The pollution I didn't want to change as I don't know enough about the balance of that.
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Maybe just go to 100 for support. AFAIk, even nuclear powers find it to expensive to maintain a large arsenal (except us and ussr of course)
the rest i'm fine with and I think anti-ballistic should be cheaper. Would the Mobile Missile System be able to intercept, I don't remember...
The MMS can actively-defend against air, but it doesn't detect the Nuke, but does shoot down Cruise Missiles. Looking over units.txt the only things that differentiates the two are CM have bombardround/range and nukes have special forces and nuclear attack effect.Originally posted by E
Would the Mobile Missile System be able to intercept, I don't remember...
I just noticed that Cruise Missiles don't actually do any damage to TanksI raised their firepower to 4 same as Tanks and it's working as it should. I don't know why they were only at 1 firepower though.
edit: strange that it works in the non-playtest vanilla game, even with 1 firepower. It appears it isn't actually bombarding in the playtest, just attacking, and obviously having no effect with 1 FP.
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I noticed that E had put forest, jungle, tundra, swamp, hills and glacier as impassable (without roads) except by foot units, the same as mountains act. Should we use this?
http://apolyton.net/forums/showthrea...76#post4922676
As I said there I personally don't like it as it's too strict. Impassable mountains without roads is enough IMO.
But there is a good point that Infantry units need to be made more useful after Tanks/Fusion Tanks somehow.
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One more radical option would be to change the code to give terrain different movement costs for different unit types. This would allow you to give infantry the same movement as present through the hard terrain whilst penalising Tanks that try the same. If the actual values were set by a text file (defining movement classes to be used in Units.txt) then the default game could still be left unchanged. It would be quite a bit of work, though.
I think we basically already do this anyway, or rather we don't need to specify that much.
For example all foot (with the exception of future ones) already move 1 over any terrain. Tanks can only move 1 (plus 1 extra grassland/plains in some cases) over all those terrains above anyway, so when it comes to exclusively moving through rough terrains they're equal on moves.
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I think that both cap601 and Maquiladora are right, only mountains should be impossible to cross without a road, a high movement cost is enough for all the other terrains.Originally posted by cap601
One more radical option would be to change the code to give terrain different movement costs for different unit types. This would allow you to give infantry the same movement as present through the hard terrain whilst penalising Tanks that try the same. If the actual values were set by a text file (defining movement classes to be used in Units.txt) then the default game could still be left unchanged. It would be quite a bit of work, though.
By the way, I haven't tested it since a very long time but I hope that units are no more eliminated when they cross a forbidden terrain (whether they are stacked or not). The player should only be warned that movement is impossible.
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hostile terrain is still available to modders but AFAIK not in the AEOriginally posted by Tamerlin
By the way, I haven't tested it since a very long time but I hope that units are no more eliminated when they cross a forbidden terrain (whether they are stacked or not). The player should only be warned that movement is impossible.
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