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  • Anyone remember Libya

    It has been three years since Gaddafi has been removed.

    Before that freedom loving Arab Spring, while Libya was still happily part of the "axis of evil" and the country with highest HDI on African continent, it was appearing in the news section quite readily. These days however, not so much - and this is Libya today.

    When Libya threw off the shackles of dictatorship in its Arab spring revolution, few could have imagined that, three years later, it would have two rival governments installed at opposite ends of the country, presiding over fighting that has, in effect, torn the nation in two.
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    Islamists insist they control a democratic congress, voted into power in the country's first post-revolution elections, but opponents say the parliament lost its legitimacy by extending its mandate beyond its original limit in February.

    As fighting worsens, foreign officials have become targets. The International Committee of the Red Cross on Thursday suspended operations after a Swiss employee was shot dead in the coastal city of Sirte, and a UN spokesman said four of its diplomats were captured and "roughed up" by militias at Tripoli airport.

    The United States has moved warships, aircraft and 1,000 marines to the region and Washington has joined Canada, Jordan and Tunisia in advising citizens to leave Libya immediately.


    Few? Perhaps not on the exact nature of the future Libyan collapse, but that there will be a collapse in the quality of life in Libya after Gadaffi, that was rather obvious.

    What can I say - other than - Freedom! Sarkomeron, and thanks Obama!

    Sarko is gone, still alive though, unlike Gaddafi - and meeting with Putin, something I am sure Gaddafi wished he did more of.

    Cameron and Obama still here looking for more countries to free, while advising British and American citizens to leave Libya due to "turmoil".

    While those who hold Libyan passports, and cannot leave recently "liberated" country are waiting, for next tranche of civil war, while enjoying the fact that their countries GDP went from around 15k USD per head in 2010 with near full employment to 6k per head last year (pretty much all oil as everything else collapsed) with 50% unemployment today, but hey, they must be free now, right? No oppression, life full of opportunity - fair and balanced, and certainly not in the news anymore, the threat has been removed and ex axis of evil member is back to just another destroyed African "banana" country.

    Life back to normal. Mission Accomplished.
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    Hey you guise it's AAHZ here (rememBer me lol?)

    I'm just Poasting here to show my dissaPointment of Poly members not Poasting in this thrade several hours after it was made. This thrade has the makings of legend, with the stuff that dreams are made of. If noBody else Poasts here relevent to this glorious OP, then you will make AAHZ very sad.

    OK... GO!
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    • #3
      I think it was pretty clear it was going to be a screwed up place regardless of what we did. But very difficult to determine if it would be slightly more/less screwed up without our intervention.

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      • #4
        Well Egypt is all tucked into place again.
        "I say shoot'em all and let God sort it out in the end!

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        • #5
          it's been an absolute disaster for the libyan people and as you rightly say, the west, having destroyed their country, has just left them to get on with it.
          "The Christian way has not been tried and found wanting, it has been found to be hard and left untried" - GK Chesterton.

          "The most obvious predicition about the future is that it will be mostly like the past" - Alain de Botton

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          • #6
            It made me think straightaway, 'Why, have you lost it ?'.

            Sorry.
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            • #7
              Libya, Iraq, Syria, Egypt, Tunisia, have I missed any other recent ones?

              Iraq is obvious, but can you provide a description of what The West has done WRT the others, and how screwed up they are as a result?
              No, I did not steal that from somebody on Something Awful.

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              • #8
                Why not instead do some actual reading on the topic and provide a counterargument rather than ask questions about answers you won't understand?

                You piece of ****.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by The Mad Monk View Post
                  Libya, Iraq, Syria, Egypt, Tunisia, have I missed any other recent ones?

                  Iraq is obvious, but can you provide a description of what The West has done WRT the others, and how screwed up they are as a result?
                  Syria - armed the rebels, it worked wonders
                  Egypt - as doc said "sorted" again - a general in charge, at least there is not enough power behind dissident groups to start a civil war.

                  Which leaves Tunisia as the country which might have benefited from their own "spring freedom" thing, economically they are the same this year as they were in 2010, did not radicalise much so overall they may be better off, and west did not use weapons of conventional destruction on them.

                  Bomb five get one one, or actually none, as the only one which seems to have had some progress is the one we were not actively destroying.
                  Socrates: "Good is That at which all things aim, If one knows what the good is, one will always do what is good." Brian: "Romanes eunt domus"
                  GW 2013: "and juistin bieber is gay with me and we have 10 kids we live in u.s.a in the white house with obama"

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                  • #10
                    So basically you're saying that the best thing we can do for them is step back and don't interfere?
                    No, I did not steal that from somebody on Something Awful.

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                    • #11
                      Definitely.
                      In Soviet Russia, Fake borises YOU.

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                      • #12
                        That's kind of hard to do when they're constantly begging us to do one thing or another.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by The Mad Monk View Post
                          So basically you're saying that the best thing we can do for them is step back and don't interfere?
                          we should have done that in the first place in libya.
                          "The Christian way has not been tried and found wanting, it has been found to be hard and left untried" - GK Chesterton.

                          "The most obvious predicition about the future is that it will be mostly like the past" - Alain de Botton

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                          • #14
                            No we need to find a friendly general to step in and help the Libyans resume their proper place.
                            "I say shoot'em all and let God sort it out in the end!

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Dinner View Post
                              That's kind of hard to do when they're constantly begging us to do one thing or another.
                              Bull****, this kind of operation is staged.
                              In Soviet Russia, Fake borises YOU.

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