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**Egbert** · March 28, 2011, 20:23

Caesar 4 is a nice city building game.
Victoria is an interesting empire building game (and should be in the bargain bin for a few dollars).
If you like Civ you could go back to a very old game, Master of Orion 2.
Imperialism 2 is another old game that is excellent (and cheap)
Patrician 3 is an interesting trading game with a touch city and nation building. (and cheap)

**Felch** · March 28, 2011, 20:39

How about you dip your toe into the waters of the 21st century and get Steam? What's not to like about it?

**SpencerH** · March 29, 2011, 07:47

Installing Steam means installing a rootkit. Since I pay for anti-malware protection, it seems inane to self-install a program that allows others unrestricted access to my PC just to play a game. If I had a gaming-only rig I'd probably install it, but I dont, so I wont

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**SpencerH** · March 29, 2011, 08:01

Originally posted by Braindead View Post

Caesar 4 is a nice city building game.
Victoria is an interesting empire building game (and should be in the bargain bin for a few dollars).
If you like Civ you could go back to a very old game, Master of Orion 2.
Imperialism 2 is another old game that is excellent (and cheap)
Patrician 3 is an interesting trading game with a touch city and nation building. (and cheap)

I'm not looking for "old games" per ce just games that dont use Steam (or SecuRom) but MOO2 is a possibility. The biggest problem with old games is that they can be a pain in the ass to make work on a new (ish) PC and I dont want to have the hassle. I tried playing M2TW the other day but it still sucks. Maybe I'll try RTW again but I wasnt a fan of that either. I've looked for decent wargames but havent spotted anything that jumps out at me and I have a feeling that I'm ****ed unless I use a Steam hack.

**Proteus_MST** · March 29, 2011, 08:52

Europa Universalis 3 if you are into WW2...
it is routinely offered with a discount on Impulse
same goes btw. for GalCiv 2 + Expansions

**SpencerH** · March 29, 2011, 10:00

I was looking at some matrix games and came across links to fourthage Total war so I'm gonna down load those RTW mods :yippee:

There are some interesting games from Matrix

"Gary Grigsby's War in the East: The German-Soviet War 1941-1945" This looks like a puter version of the old SPI game that I played as a kid (which I still have).

"Gary Grigsby's War Between The States"

"Forge of Freedom: The American Civil War 1861-1865"

I'm not that thrilled with the American Civil War but I did like SM's Gettysburg (back in the day)

"Crown of Glory: Emperors Edition"

This seems to be a Napoleonic version of the "War between the states"

Any experiences with those?

**SpencerH** · March 29, 2011, 10:01

Originally posted by Proteus_MST View Post

Europa Universalis 3 if you are into WW2...
it is routinely offered with a discount on Impulse
same goes btw. for GalCiv 2 + Expansions

I played EU2 and it was OK. Maybe I need to look at EU3. Like I said above I wasnt thrilled with GALCIV demo. It didnt seem as good as CIV IV.

**Guynemer** · March 29, 2011, 16:23

Not sure that you'll find anything as good as Civ4, at least when it comes to strategy games. Any other genres that you'd consider?

**SpencerH** · March 29, 2011, 18:08

Not really. I'm old and stuck in my ways

**Egbert** · March 30, 2011, 06:20

Originally posted by SpencerH View Post

I played EU2 and it was OK. Maybe I need to look at EU3. Like I said above I wasnt thrilled with GALCIV demo. It didnt seem as good as CIV IV.

GalCiv takes a while to get the hang of, and a while to really get into it. My first impression was Umh not sure but I finished up having something of an extended GalCiv jag. I still play Gal;Civ@.

**Garth Vader** · March 30, 2011, 16:29

Originally posted by SpencerH View Post

I was looking at some matrix games and came across links to fourthage Total war so I'm gonna down load those RTW mods :yippee:

There are some interesting games from Matrix

"Gary Grigsby's War in the East: The German-Soviet War 1941-1945" This looks like a puter version of the old SPI game that I played as a kid (which I still have).

"Gary Grigsby's War Between The States"

"Forge of Freedom: The American Civil War 1861-1865"

I'm not that thrilled with the American Civil War but I did like SM's Gettysburg (back in the day)

"Crown of Glory: Emperors Edition"

This seems to be a Napoleonic version of the "War between the states"

Any experiences with those?

I am playing War in the East.
It's more of a serious wargame that I have been used to playing, but although the learning curve is long there are some very good scenarios for learning, and a lot of info available on the forums.

If at all interested in wargames/East front I highly recommend War in the East.

**b etor** · March 31, 2011, 02:23

Cake Mania

**SpencerH** · March 31, 2011, 08:02

Originally posted by Garth Vader View Post

If at all interested in wargames/East front I highly recommend War in the East.

I'm not sure if I am. As I said before I played SPI's "War in the east" in the 70's (I still have it too) so I have a nostalgic connection with the game and would like to see how it plays on a PC. OTOH, I despise the NAZI's and have no interest in re-creating their conquests.

**SpencerH** · March 31, 2011, 08:03

Originally posted by b etor View Post

Cake Mania

I eat em. I dont play with em

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