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  • #16
    Re: Re: Q!

    Originally posted by laurentius

    You hate opinions opposed to yours dont you.
    We should count our lucky stars that he's only in a position to hate them.
    "I predict your ignore will rival Ben's" - Ecofarm
    ^ The Poly equivalent of:
    "I hope you can see this 'cause I'm [flipping you off] as hard as I can" - Ignignokt the Mooninite

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    • #17
      Re: Re: Re: Q!

      Originally posted by DinoDoc
      Sorry. I'm such a little Eichmann.
      What are you? A former Marine or something?
      Que l’Univers n’est qu’un défaut dans la pureté de Non-être.

      - Paul Valery

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      • #18
        Churchill has a right to his opinion. My opinion is that he is an ignorant ass. Fortunately, I have a right to my opinion as well.
        "I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003

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        • #19
          Originally posted by laurentius
          The next thing you or some other jackass here will do is probably try to label me as a "left wing loony"
          I'd be more likely to label you as an authoritarian wacko for your belief in how just collective punishment and support for it's use.
          I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
          For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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          • #20
            The article is in poor taste AT BEST, but any academic papaer that invokles Godwin so quickly is not much.

            That said, I do hate mororns who start threatening people's lives more than I hate *******s like Churchill.
            If you don't like reality, change it! me
            "Oh no! I am bested!" Drake
            "it is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong" Voltaire
            "Patriotism is a pernecious, psychopathic form of idiocy" George Bernard Shaw

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            • #21
              Originally posted by DinoDoc
              I'd be more likely to label you as an authoritarian wacko for your belief in how just collective punishment and support for it's use.

              And how would that make me different from you or any other American?

              I agree with the author: 1) Killing is wrong. 2) You have to bear responsibility for your actions or actions done in your name that you havent protested against.
              Que l’Univers n’est qu’un défaut dans la pureté de Non-être.

              - Paul Valery

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              • #22
                Many people don't want to hear the argument that the benevolent United States may do some things that upset people in other countries. They also especially don't want to hear that because of those actions/policies, others who are effected may decide to "push back" as the article states.

                They'd rather just stick their fingers in their ears and continue ignorantly assuming that we're always good and they have no reasons other than they "hate freedom".

                Of course, now that I've said that, some of the people I just mentioned will take it upon themselves to call me unAmerican or unpatriotic. They are simply unwilling to understand.
                "I predict your ignore will rival Ben's" - Ecofarm
                ^ The Poly equivalent of:
                "I hope you can see this 'cause I'm [flipping you off] as hard as I can" - Ignignokt the Mooninite

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                • #23
                  He has a point. The American public is going to have to get their head out of their asses.
                  I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
                  - Justice Brett Kavanaugh

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by The Emperor Fabulous
                    Many people don't want to hear the argument that the benevolent United States may do some things that upset people in other countries.
                    Does that make coming to kill you, personally, moral or that you deserved to die?
                    I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                    For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                    • #25
                      yes
                      Que l’Univers n’est qu’un défaut dans la pureté de Non-être.

                      - Paul Valery

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                      • #26
                        The arguement that the US has done many things to make it hated around the world i one thing- saying the specific individuals killed in the attacks deserved to die is something completely different and utterly ignorant.

                        If some US official had been gunned down or so, then, while still a noxious arguement, you couyld sort of say that as an agent of a state that has done X and Y, they got what was coming. As I said, even then its a noxious arguement.

                        The arguement Cunningham made is more worthy of some loner 15 year old imbecile with illusions of intellectual grandeaur.
                        If you don't like reality, change it! me
                        "Oh no! I am bested!" Drake
                        "it is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong" Voltaire
                        "Patriotism is a pernecious, psychopathic form of idiocy" George Bernard Shaw

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by DinoDoc
                          Does that make coming to kill you, personally, moral or that you deserved to die?
                          Only if I've done the same to you. I don't agree with most of the article, just the idea that we're (the US) not innocent.

                          And it didn't do them much good, did it? We took Afghanistan in retaliation, didn't we? Which, as you'll notice by the argument, is "pushing back".

                          We're just able to push back harder.
                          "I predict your ignore will rival Ben's" - Ecofarm
                          ^ The Poly equivalent of:
                          "I hope you can see this 'cause I'm [flipping you off] as hard as I can" - Ignignokt the Mooninite

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                          • #28
                            No, the argument is valid. Would have you condemned if some jew activist had blown up 10 000 people at Berlin during the WW2?

                            You kill people, they retaliate. You steal, you get punished. You approve killing, you still get punished.

                            The arguement Cunningham made is unworthy of some loner 25 year old cynical New Yorker imbecile.

                            Thats excatly the point, the onle ones who have illusions of intellectual or moral grandeur are Americans.
                            Que l’Univers n’est qu’un défaut dans la pureté de Non-être.

                            - Paul Valery

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by The Emperor Fabulous
                              Only if I've done the same to you.
                              Then why exactly are you argueing with me if you don't believe that the people killed in the attacks deserved to die?
                              I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                              For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                              • #30
                                Laurentius I've seen you whine endlessly in other threads against group punishment or mass punishment yet here you are saying mass punishment is OK as long as the target is America.

                                Can you be any less consistant?
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