New Paradox game soon to be announced?

[Nikolai]

Now, this is somewhat old news, but a guy over at Paradox forums met a woman working for Paradox some time ago, and this is what he posted

This is the greatest day of my life. Never have i been so happy about anything, anytime.

What has happend to poor ol me? Well, i found myself on the subway, going into the city of Stockholm with a couple of friends. We started to discuss diffrent Paradox games such as Crusader Kings and HoI(2). We stated how exited we where on this new production and so on.

All of the sudden, as of nowhere, this woman approches. Se says something like:
I have been sitting here and listening to you, and i just have to speak, you see i work with distributing Paradox games(later we read on her card that she was the Product manager on Pan Vision, which i belive most of you know what company that is anyways). We discussed the games and she seemed pleased that we liked the games. Although my dumb dumb brother complained some about the patching that it should get speeded up. What the problem with you?! You got the chance of almost tuching the source of the game and you complain, kinda corny if you ask me.

Anyhow for a few minutes we discussed some rather nice subjects like the games. I have always thought that only nerd worked with computer games, now it turns out that a rather normal woman does the same. Which is more or less something that suprises me. Now, to drop the real bomb on us she said:
I happen to sit on some give aways, send me an E-mail and i will send you a package.

Stunned i said, what? Are you kidding with me? She obviusly said no and gave us her card. I will send her an E-Mail right after i post this, at least that is my plan!

Now, ever since, i have been going around with adrenaline pumping all over my body.. because.. she told us some really neat ****!!

LIKE FOR EXAMPLE!! In Sweden(Scandinavia?) HoI 2 will be realsed BEFORE christmas of 2004! Not in the Spring of 05. This was more or less really good news for me, but the most intriguing thingie was.. she told us..

That Paradox is currently working on some TOP SECRET game, and that the details will be relased in a few weeks. Hohoo!! Bet ya didnt know that..

Shiete, i took me like 30 minutes to get over this small gathering, i mean... i almost crap my pants, this **** can only happen to people like us, in Sweden, at a night like this.

****ing hell, what a night.. now i wont be able to sleep.. thank you Pan vision and Pardox, HELL.. its my sister birthday today and when she gets up i will have to congratulate her, and well frankly.. i will not think about my sister now.. "making fun easier".. i almost crap my pants...

Nothing more is confirmed about the possibly new game so far as I know of, but nothing is said against it either, so we can always hope...

I for one hope it is EU3, but as Johan has said it'll come in 2007 earliest, the odds are against it I guess.

[Grumbold]

I'm praying for a decent ancient-era game (not just a Rome simulator, which is all anyone else ever makes.)

[General Ludd]

We don't need no stinkin' ancient-era game. There's enough of that already.


What we need is a cold war game, or even just an all encompassing modern-era EU.

[Nikolai]

As long as it's not Conan... They have the rights for him...!

[pg]

i wonder if paradox has it in them to do eu3 right since it seems like nothing since eu2 has been as well recieved. i've only played eu2 though so what do i know.

i'd love a modern era game, but iirc paradox is semi-politically correct so a lot of interesting history/gameplay would be left out. i still think it'd probably be a kickass game though(if keep abstract enough).

[Grumbold]

Afaik HoI has been their biggest seller during the time period it has been out, hence HoI 2 being done a.s.a.p.

They've had the Conan rights for ages and all I've seen is that console game that seemingly had nothing to do with them. I'd be interested in a Hyboria wargame game along the lines of CK blended with the old miniatures campaign rules. I wonder if they bought it then bogged down trying to make anything work. Who would buy a licence only to sit on it for years?

[Nikolai]

I think they are planning to licence it off or something. Or so the roumors say... Oh, and btw: EU3 wont come untill 2007 earliest according to Johan.

[hexagonian]

Originally posted by General Ludd
We don't need no stinkin' ancient-era game.

Yes we do...

[Grumbold]

Originally posted by General Ludd
We don't need no stinkin' ancient-era game. There's enough of that already.

Name a good one then

All we get is battle games like Medieval Total War. Paradox could do a whole lot better.

[General Ludd]

Originally posted by Grumbold


Name a good one then

All we get is battle games like Medieval Total War. Paradox could do a whole lot better.

If you consider Medieval Total War to be 'ancient era', then Paradox has already made Crusader Kings.

[Grumbold]

I meant the emphasis on like. Rome Total War is coming.

EU is chronologically a lot closer to present day than Ancient Greece, Egypt, Persia and the like.

We've had a lot of modern/cold war political simulators attempted in the last few years and they have all failed. I can't see Paradox being able to magic it onto a compelling format either given the pretty crude level of their political AI systems to date.

[General Ludd]

Originally posted by Grumbold
I meant the emphasis on like. Rome Total War is coming.

EU is chronologically a lot closer to present day than Ancient Greece, Egypt, Persia and the like.

We've had a lot of modern/cold war political simulators attempted in the last few years and they have all failed. I can't see Paradox being able to magic it onto a compelling format either given the pretty crude level of their political AI systems to date.

I wouldn't call the diplomacy in Paradox games 'crude'. It may not be perfect, and there is room for improvement, but the alternatives are worse. HoI doesn't have any meaningful diplomacy, but it's mostly a straight forward war game so that's understandable. Victoria, the next most modern game of theirs, has a very nice diplomatic system. Along with some of Victoria's economic systems (simplified and improved a bit, and abstract the pops) and HoI's research and strategy, I'm sure that they could make an awsome modern era game.

[General Ludd]

Super Power is the only one I can think of...

[Grumbold]

I'll have a stab but most of these are only known to me through bad reviews:

Republic the Revolution
Global Domination
The Political machine
Political Tycoon
Global Power
MAD: Global thermonuclear Warfare
Superpower

coming in 2004:

Superpower 2
Supreme Ruler 2010


ON Paradox politics:
HOI can't even get the Japanese into the war properly
CK politics sucketh most royally
Vicky seems very event driven and EU2 is so-so but would I want this system to try and deal with the Middle East situation without mass invasions left, right and centre? Heck, no! There would need to be lots and lots more subtleties built in to manage a modern game that was not set up like HoI to lead into a major war.

[General Ludd]

Originally posted by Grumbold
I'll have a stab but most of these are only known to me through bad reviews:

Republic the Revolution
Global Domination
The Political machine
Political Tycoon
Global Power
MAD: Global thermonuclear Warfare
Superpower

Most of these aren't even remotely in the same genre.

Republic the Revolution is a political game where you don't leave the city scape.

Global Domination I don't know, but google brings up a risk re-make.

The Political Machine is another politics game, and it hasn't even been released as far as I know so you really shoulnd't be calling it bad.

Political Tycoon, a knock off of the previous I imagine.

Global Power is the same as Super Power, which is I think the only EU-esque game on this list, and it was indeed a failure.

Mad: Thermonuclear war I haven't heard of, either. But it looks like simplistic cheese game that doesn't take itself seriously.

ON Paradox politics:
HOI can't even get the Japanese into the war properly
CK politics sucketh most royally
Vicky seems very event driven and EU2 is so-so but would I want this system to try and deal with the Middle East situation without mass invasions left, right and centre? Heck, no! There would need to be lots and lots more subtleties built in to manage a modern game that was not set up like HoI to lead into a major war.

They wouldn't transplant a political system from one of their other games. Every game they make has a new focus and brings a certain area of gameplay to a new limit. With HoI it was warfair. With Victoria it was economics. With Crusader Kings it was dynasty and lineage. A Modern era game would no doubt further develope the political system with the subtleties required, and then some.