World Football Thread XVII : Champions League Final and beyond..

[Imran Siddiqui]

Jeez, an argument goes a page and change and you are all whining like little old ladies.

[LordShiva]

If you two are still arguing when this thread reaches 500 posts, be sure to start the new one before reds4ever does.

[Maquiladora]

[Cort Haus]

Man Yoo sign Teves.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/sport/football.html?in_article_id=466284&in_page_id=1779&ct=5

That's next season's EPL winners established then. They've spent crazy money this summer. What is it now, £70m?

[Cort Haus]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
Seriously, WTF is wrong with you two? How can you still be arguing about this?

[Kropotkin]

It is not logical, captain.

[Drake Tungsten]

Seriously, WTF is wrong with you two? How can you still be arguing about this?

[Maquiladora]

Imran, again I could counter everything you've just said (as I have done easily before, which is why it's continued for so long), but in the end we won't agree.

I'll be the bigger man again and offer you the final reply, but I won't respond this time I promise

[Imran Siddiqui]

The overwhelming majority of Mexican fans in LA travel from LA (or around the US), not from Mexico.

Are they more rabid than US fans in LA? You are avoiding the question. Anyone watching a match in LA will immediately note that the Mexican fans are more supportive, yelling, banging drums than the US fans in attendance.

Mexico has a home stadium, in Mexico. The US national team's home is traveling around US stadiums. Mexico is not playing at their home stadium in the US, despite being classed as a "home game". Someone has an advantage. Work it out.

Yes, Mexico has any advantage due to the crowd being overwhelmingly pro-Mexico. This is not baseball where the dimensions of the field so vary that you have to know how it is before you play there.

Besides, the US hardly ever plays in the Rose Bowl, where US-Mexico matches usually take place. In LA, the US team usually plays in the smaller Home Depot Center.

The Azteca (or any big stadium) wouldn't get the attendance needed against Venezuela or Ghana, so it would be pointless when you get far more money in the US.

Why wouldn't it? Seeing the national team in a friendly wouldn't attract fans?!

Because you don't know enough to take it in.

Like for example the advantage of a national football stadium over another stadium in the same country. Yet somehow they're the same thing to you.

Any "advantage" of a national football stadium over another stadium in the same country is bull****. You want to back it up show me facts (comparative records of teams in the "national stadium" compared to others in the same country), not just your subjective belief that it is.

England doesn't have more of an advantage in Wembley than they do at Anfield, no matter how much you've convinced yourself they do.

[Maquiladora]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

1) You admitted yourself Mexican supporters from Mexico are more rabid than ones in LA.

Are they more rabid than American fans in LA? 90% of the fans, more rabid than the other teams' fans (which only make up 10% of the stadium), seems like an advantage to me.

That makes no sense.

The overwhelming majority of Mexican fans in LA travel from LA (or around the US), not from Mexico.

2) Mexico doesn't regularly travel around the US to play it's home games. The US team does, and many US players also do for their clubs.

So... that means they are more familiar with the placement of the stands? What?

Mexico has a home stadium, in Mexico. The US national team's home is traveling around US stadiums. Mexico is not playing at their home stadium in the US, despite being classed as a "home game". Someone has an advantage. Work it out.

Money.

They can't get money in Mexico, for stadiums with FAR higher capacity (Pizza Hut Park in Dallas fits about 30,000 at max)? Really?

The Azteca (or any big stadium) wouldn't get the attendance needed against Venezuela or Ghana, so it would be pointless when you get far more money in the US.

Already explained why LA is not a Mexican home game.

And it was entirely unconvincing.

Because you don't know enough to take it in.

Like for example the advantage of a national football stadium over another stadium in the same country. Yet somehow they're the same thing to you.

[Imran Siddiqui]

1) You admitted yourself Mexican supporters from Mexico are more rabid than ones in LA.

Are they more rabid than American fans in LA? 90% of the fans, more rabid than the other teams' fans (which only make up 10% of the stadium), seems like an advantage to me.

2) Mexico doesn't regularly travel around the US to play it's home games. The US team does, and many US players also do for their clubs.

So... that means they are more familiar with the placement of the stands? What?

Money.

They can't get money in Mexico, for stadiums with FAR higher capacity (Pizza Hut Park in Dallas fits about 30,000 at max)? Really?

Already explained why LA is not a Mexican home game.

And it was entirely unconvincing.

[Maquiladora]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

Because the US team regularly travels around stadiums in the US to play it's home games, and is quite comfortable with traveling to LA twice as well.

Mexico is also quite comfortable traveling to LA as well. Especially since they fill up the stands with their supporters.

1) You admitted yourself Mexican supporters from Mexico are more rabid than ones in LA.

2) Mexico doesn't regularly travel around the US to play it's home games. The US team does, and many US players also do for their clubs.

Mexico also plays friendlies against other countries IN LOS ANGELES. For example, in May 2006 they played against Venezuela in LA.

Also in March 2006, Mexico played Ghana IN DALLAS. The venue was requested by Mexico both times.

Money.

I'm not trying to prove the Mexican team is better than the US, because it can't be proven. And neither can it the other way, not least because of the obvious bias of the venues.

Because, obviously when you have 90% of your fans in a stadium, you are at a disadvantage in the venue .

Already explained why LA is not a Mexican home game.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Because the US team regularly travels around stadiums in the US to play it's home games, and is quite comfortable with traveling to LA twice as well.

Mexico is also quite comfortable traveling to LA as well. Especially since they fill up the stands with their supporters. Mexico also plays friendlies against other countries IN LOS ANGELES. For example, in May 2006 they played against Venezuela in LA.

Also in March 2006, Mexico played Ghana IN DALLAS. The venue was requested by Mexico both times.

I'm not trying to prove the Mexican team is better than the US, because it can't be proven. And neither can it the other way, not least because of the obvious bias of the venues.

Because, obviously when you have 90% of your fans in a stadium, you are at a disadvantage in the venue .

[Maquiladora]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

Neither does it playing all the games in the US, as shown by the obvious leaning of the results.

Because playing in stadiums geographically in the US with 90% Mexico fans is really a US advantage!

Because the US team regularly travels around stadiums in the US to play it's home games, and is quite comfortable with traveling to LA twice as well.

Azteca is at a incredibly high elevation, which is why the "obvious leaning of the results" is a bull**** argument to make to try to prove that the Mexican team is better than the US one.

I'm not trying to prove the Mexican team is better than the US, because it can't be proven. And neither can it the other way, not least because of the obvious bias of the venues.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Neither does it playing all the games in the US, as shown by the obvious leaning of the results.

Because playing in stadiums geographically in the US with 90% Mexico fans is really a US advantage!

And how many times...

Azteca is at a incredibly high elevation, which is why the "obvious leaning of the results" is a bull**** argument to make to try to prove that the Mexican team is better than the US one.