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  • Deity Dude
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    In my opinion, unless thing change radically, it will be the pitching records that can not/will not be broken.

    Here's a few

    Game Lost Career - Cy Young 316
    ERA Career - Ed Walsh 1.82
    Most Wins Season - Old Hoss Radborn 59
    Most Wins Season (Modern) - Jack Chesboro 41
    Most Wins 1 month - John Clarkson 15
    Most Wins 1 month (Modern) - Rube Wadell 10

    Actually there are lot more for pitchers. The game has changed so much as far as pitching that they never will be touched.

    Here's one more to ponder:

    Most wins as a rookie: Al Spalding 47

    (And I thought Verlander had a good rookie season)

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  • Grandpa Troll
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    Originally posted by Jaguar
    Rice's record can be broken. Consider Torry Holt. He had 788 yards in his rookie year. Since then, he has had 9887 yards in seven years. He has only 12220 to go. If he stays at or nearly at the same level of production for another nine years, he can do it. It's not inconceivable.

    If one out of Larry Fitzgerald, Torry Holt, or Chad Johnson ages gracefully like Rice, Tim Brown, or Marvin Harrison, there's a very good chance Rice's record gets broken.
    Chad Johnson doing the sizzling bacon, yup that could be a record if he tried.

    No I think Chad is a showman who will end up being more of a morale problem than his abilities could be exploited to loftier goals.

    Not as bad a Terrell Owens though

    Gramps

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  • LordShiva
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    Originally posted by Frozzy
    W.G Grace - 54211 First Class Runs. doubt that will be beaten.

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  • Frozzy
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    W.G Grace - 54211 First Class Runs. doubt that will be beaten.

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  • -Jrabbit
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    Who said anything about title defenses? 49 wins, no losses or ties, and retire as undefeated heavyweight champion.

    10. Rocky Marciano's 49-0
    Marciano began his professional career in 1947 by beating Lee Epperson, and over the next eight years, he proceeded to defeat all 49 of his opponents 43 by knockout. In doing so, Marciano became the first heavyweight to go undefeated throughout his entire career.

    Marciano's record was challenged in 1985 by Larry Holmes, who got to 48-0 before losing to Michael Spinks.
    Personally, I could care less about boxing. But I'm confident that this record -- already approached several times by less-than-exceptional boxers -- is the most likely on this list to fall. It's just not as mathematically beyond the field as the others are. Plus, the sport is dirty, making the record a juicy target for promoters.

    Like I said, we're going to disagree about this. Let's just admit you're wrong and move on.

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  • Lord Avalon
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    Actually, by fighting less often, I think you actually increase your opportunity to lose, because you accumulate more rust (and possibly extra weight) livin' large, and you lose that hunger you had on the way to the top. And I doubt someone's going to be 40-0 before they get serious. YOU try to keep up.

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  • -Jrabbit
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    You get your wins on the way to the title, then minimize opportunities to lose once you have it. Try to keep up.

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  • Lord Avalon
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    Originally posted by -Jrabbit

    One of the reasons this record will fall.
    How so? If you're fighting less often, it's harder to have a higher win total. Plus there's more time where you can get distracted and more out of fighting shape, so you lose a fight you probably shouldn't have.

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  • -Jrabbit
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    And as I said, defending one's belt seems to be at a rate of less than once a year nowadays.
    One of the reasons this record will fall.

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  • Flubber
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    Originally posted by Sava
    yeah, plus they will probably get better drug testing standards making it harder for someone to dominate the "sport" the way Lance did
    You can choose your reasons and I can choose mine, but I don't think the record will ever be touched

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  • Lord Avalon
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    Well, -Jrabbit, you could be right, the record may not be "unbreakable."

    But amateur bouts are different from pro. They're only 3 rounds; pro will start at 4 and go up as the fighter gains experience. (Max 12 for a championship bout, though in Marciano's day it was 15.) There's no headgear in pro, so - especially for heavyweights - you could face a guy with power who gets in that one punch.

    Someone who's going to be a "contender" will probably outclass many of the amateurs he faces, so will compile an even more lopsided record, so that's not necessarily an indication of how many pro wins he'll have.

    A contender will also eventually want a shot at the title, so there will come a point when he's going to face more serious competition. I think the competitive spirit will not allow him to keep on facing scrubs. If his manager won't get him more serious bouts, he can always switch managers. (Of course one's record may depend on the level of contemporary talent: Ali had serious competition in Frazier, Norton, Foreman; Tyson didn't have that same level - but he lost focus as a champion, took Buster Douglass too lightly and got knocked out.)

    And as I said, defending one's belt seems to be at a rate of less than once a year nowadays.

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  • -Jrabbit
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    I should also point out that, after winning the title in 1952, Marciano basically fought one title defense a year.

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  • -Jrabbit
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    OK, we're just gonna disagree on this one, LordA. I really think that, compared to the other records listed, this is easily the most beatable. BTW, did you know Marciano lost 3 times as an amateur?

    Why is it "nearly impossible" to win 49 straight to start a career? These guys can schedule whoever they want!! There are plenty of examples.

    --Sugar Ray Robinson was 85-0 before he went pro.
    --Willie Pep, a lightweight (and contemporary of Marciano) was 63-0 before he finally lost.
    --Welterwight Julio Cesar Chavez we 88-0 before he had a draw.
    --Larry Holmes was nothing special and got within one fight.

    I'm sure Marciano fought his share of losers on his way up. Not to diss the original Rocky, but I just don't think this record is nearly as impressive as the others. It wil fall for sure IMHO.

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  • Lord Avalon
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    I need to correct/clarify myself. And the Marciano record, which is 49 consecutive victories to begin a pro boxing career. (It also happened to be his whole career.) As a total number of wins, maybe it's not so much, but consecutively at the beginning is something else. (Not sure if there's a different consecutive win record for any part of a pro career.)

    Yes, there are a lot of scrubs on the way to championship contention. But eventually you get there, if you've got the stuff. And then you have real fights. Larry Holmes got to 48 and lost. Klitschko, if I'm reading his website correctly, only got to 24 before losing.

    Maybe there are more frequent fights outside the USA. It seems to me that in the USA boxers at the top don't fight as frequently as they used to compared to a few decades ago.

    At any rate, I think it's nearly impossible to get to 50 wins at the start of a pro boxing career. Once you're the champion, with all the money you've got at that point (especially for a heavyweight, where the big money is), it's hard to keep focus and defend your title time and time again.

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  • -Jrabbit
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    Top current heavyweight Vladimir Klitschko is 47-3-0. How far is that from 50-0?
    Not very.

    Look, I'm no boxing fan. But experienced heavyweights regularly have more than 50 career bouts. They don't cut back their schedule until they've got something to lose. But they fight lots of tomato cans to build up their record on the way up.

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