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  • Proteus_MST
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    Originally posted by Kidicious View Post

    All riots are the same. They are basically low level terrorism, not a coup. ...
    So, Trump incited the protesters to commit low level terrorism?

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  • Proteus_MST
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    Originally posted by Kidicious View Post
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    Most of the people, including those entering the building were just protesting.
    ...
    They didn't have any business entering the building.
    All of those "protesters" who entered the Capitol are, at least, guilty of unlawful entry.
    (and lots of them are guilty of more)

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  • Kidicious
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    Is anyone charge with sedition or anything? Looks like people are being charged with entering unlawfully. Damnit. You people listen to the news and politicians and believe anything. It's absolutely pitiful.

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  • Kidicious
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    Originally posted by Jon Miller View Post
    It was not fundamentally wrong for the Trumpists to go protest in front of the Capitol. It was fundamentally wrong for them to attack the Capitol with the intention of forcing lawmakers (to in this case behave in unlawful ways).

    A protest can become a riot due to interaction with the police (and depending it can either be the fault of the protestors or the police). That isn't what happened on the 6th. The protestors, at least some of them, started attacking the Capitol with the intent of staging a coup.

    JM
    (I do believe that some who were coming to protest ended up continuing on inside ands so taking part in the coup attempt. I do think that they should be changed with serious crimes... but maybe not as serious as insurrection or as domestic terrorists.)
    All riots are the same. They are basically low level terrorism, not a coup. You are listening to brainwashers and they are making a fool out of all of you. This was a protest/riot, just like all the leftist riots. Some people there intended to commit more serious crimes, just like at all the leftist riots. The only difference is the media hysteria over one and the promotion on the other.

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  • Kidicious
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    No. He actually shot people you lunatic.

  • Kidicious
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    Trump had nothing to do with this. This is stupid, and a false accusation, both against Trump and against every Trump supporter, since only some of the people there had some sort of intention to commit serious crimes. Most of the people, including those entering the building were just protesting.

    So again, this is false accusations, and wicked as ****. You people want to take this trial seriously like you are learning something? They are ****ing liars, and you are either a liar too, or you are stupid.

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  • BeBro
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    Originally posted by Berzerker View Post
    Shall we take a look at the Democrats' inflammatory rhetoric over that time frame? Hell, Trump's inauguration was met by a riot and Democrats weren't lecturing us about peaceful transitions of power.
    Could we skip this non-argument for something substantial?

    Apart from the usual whataboutism - which is listed under fallacies for a reason, and which jr noted already:

    "Context matters" is not a new "democratic/liberal/BLM/Antifa" invention, it is what would be looked at in any case. You are completely ignoring the actual situation, and esp. the consequences.

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  • -Jrabbit
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    That was one wackadoo. It was a sick act by a bad guy.
    Hardly comparable to Trump's 2 months of machination attempting to overturn the election results, culminating in 1/6.

  • -Jrabbit
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    This is not comparative, Berz. It's the impeachment of the President Trump, and "whatabouting" the women's march 4 years ago and "Dem rhetoric" has exactly zero relevance to the issue at hand.

    On Jan. 6, the Capitol was stormed, over 140 DC cops were injured, with tens of thousands protestors arriving in DC, the date and time clearly advertised by Trump, including millions spent on "save the date" social media ads. It was a clear-cut, desperate attempt by Trump to cling to the Presidency despite being trounced in both popular and electoral votes.

  • Jon Miller
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    The closest to this, where someone on the left was at fault, was correctly remembered by Kid (I had forgotten) and was when a left-wing activist attacked Republican congressmen at a baseball game.

    This was also trying to change government through violence, and... while not a coup attempt and not at all supported or incited by Democratic politicians and not the action of a group... was a sign of brokenness on the left.

    JM

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  • Jon Miller
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    It was not fundamentally wrong for the Trumpists to go protest in front of the Capitol. It was fundamentally wrong for them to attack the Capitol with the intention of forcing lawmakers (to in this case behave in unlawful ways).

    A protest can become a riot due to interaction with the police (and depending it can either be the fault of the protestors or the police). That isn't what happened on the 6th. The protestors, at least some of them, started attacking the Capitol with the intent of staging a coup.

    JM
    (I do believe that some who were coming to protest ended up continuing on inside ands so taking part in the coup attempt. I do think that they should be changed with serious crimes... but maybe not as serious as insurrection or as domestic terrorists.)

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  • Jon Miller
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    No lawmaker nor Trump nor the transition was ever threatened by any of the protests (or riots). BLM wasn't involved in the Trump inauguration protests.

    You are comparing apples and oranges. In one case senior senators and representatives and the vice-president of the US were threatened with the intent of disrupting the transition of power. In the other case, people were acting on their rights to protest (which then got a little out of hand, but never put any lawmakers at risk). If the insurrectionists had never breached the capital building, it would have been a protest or possibly a riot and not an insurrection/attack. But they did. In 2017, Trump, Pence, Ryan and McConnell were never in danger nor had the possibility of violence used against them.

    Apples and oranges.

    JM
    (The most conspiracy accusation that fits reality is that the police purposefully backed down to support the insurrection or to get the Trumpists in trouble.)

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  • Berzerker
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    Originally posted by -Jrabbit View Post
    Kid is really turning into the pearl-clutcher around here. Pretty amusing.

    Reminder, Kid: This is a Senate impeachment trial on the actions of Donald Trump. The specifics of the actions of the protesters is a deflection off topic. This is not a criminal trial. It is not a murder trial. It is about Trump's culpability in the attack on the US Capitol, especially in terms of the timing of the attack, specifically during the Senate's certification of the Electoral College votes.

    Fun fact: After the storming of the United States Capitol, Andrew McCarthy wrote an opinion piece in which he stated on January 10th, "I do think the president has committed an impeachable offense, making a reckless speech that incited a throng on the mall, which foreseeably included an insurrectionist mob."
    I'd argue about how foreseeable it was, that was the first time a Trump rally turned into a protest and riot. Now if Trump had spent last summer calling cops racists while neighborhoods were destroyed that might qualify as foreseeable.

    MAGA 1, BLM 500

    Shall we take a look at the Democrats' inflammatory rhetoric over that time frame? Hell, Trump's inauguration was met by a riot and Democrats weren't lecturing us about peaceful transitions of power.

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  • Kidicious
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    Originally posted by -Jrabbit View Post
    Kid is really turning into the pearl-clutcher around here. Pretty amusing.

    Reminder, Kid: This is a Senate impeachment trial on the actions of Donald Trump. The specifics of the actions of the protesters is a deflection off topic. This is not a criminal trial. It is not a murder trial. It is about Trump's culpability in the attack on the US Capitol, especially in terms of the timing of the attack, specifically during the Senate's certification of the Electoral College votes.

    Fun fact: After the storming of the United States Capitol, Andrew McCarthy wrote an opinion piece in which he stated on January 10th, "I do think the president has committed an impeachable offense, making a reckless speech that incited a throng on the mall, which foreseeably included an insurrectionist mob."
    And you sound like an imbecile. Everyone knows this trial is total ****ing bull****, put on by wicked people.

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  • Not-Ming
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    Originally posted by -Jrabbit View Post
    Kid is really turning into the pearl-clutcher around here. Pretty amusing.

    Reminder, Kid: This is a Senate impeachment trial on the actions of Donald Trump. The specifics of the actions of the protesters is a deflection off topic. This is not a criminal trial. It is not a murder trial. It is about Trump's culpability in the attack on the US Capitol, especially in terms of the timing of the attack, specifically during the Senate's certification of the Electoral College votes.

    Fun fact: After the storming of the United States Capitol, Andrew McCarthy wrote an opinion piece in which he stated on January 10th, "I do think the president has committed an impeachable offense, making a reckless speech that incited a throng on the mall, which foreseeably included an insurrectionist mob."
    There should be a murder trial. Several. Of him.

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