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[Jon Miller]

Trump is an unindicted co-conspirator to Federal election fraud and conspiracy against the US (see Michael Cohen pleading). These crimes have a statute of limitation of 5 years. If Trump is not re-elected, he will be indicted as soon as his current term ends.

Yes, also that. That is impeachable (once more, I don't think that it requires impeachment like collusion would).

The statement that Trump has done nothing impeachable (which is different than saying Trump shouldn't be impeached) is a bit of nonsense.

JM

[Jon Miller]

Due to both of the obvious counts (election fraud and obstruction of justice) as well as his other actions I am inclined to favor impeaching and removal. But I am happy to wait for the formal case for and against to be made by the relevant parties in congress/White House.

JM

[Giancarlo]

I think digging into his finances could uncover bank fraud and tax fraud, and those alone are impeachable and easy to convict on. His business partner of thirty years, Mr Manafort, is looking at 40-80 years in prison alone.

Of course we need to see everything. I have a feeling there will be a laundry list of charges and wrong doings Trump has committed.

I'm not paying attention to the fact that he is incompetent and unfit to hold office.

[Jon Miller]

Impeachment and Removal are political not judicial. Obstruction of Justice and Election Fraud are both impeachable offenses, and the latter is criminal, but impeachment and removal are political. You can be president from jail (although the practice has been for presidents to be immune from criminal penalties while in office, not sure if that is the right call).

JM

[Giancarlo]

There isn't a rule stating a president can't be indicted in office. It just hasn't been done before. I think we are entering new territory... Absolutely.

You are right in stating tax and bank fraud are criminal. But if there is sufficient ground for indictment on that it could be enough political reason to proceed with impeachment.

[onejayhawk]

Trump is an unindicted co-conspirator to Federal election fraud and conspiracy against the US (see Michael Cohen pleading). These crimes have a statute of limitation of 5 years. If Trump is not re-elected, he will be indicted as soon as his current term ends.

I just love this one. The Cohen pleading charges no such thing and any 1st-year law student would say so or flunk an exam.

There isn't a rule stating a president can't be indicted in office. It just hasn't been done before. I think we are entering new territory... Absolutely. You are right in stating tax and bank fraud are criminal. But if there is sufficient ground for indictment on that it could be enough political reason to proceed with impeachment.

There is actually. It was settled in during Nixon's term and reaffirmed during Clinton's. Both parties have had a crack at it, so it should be considered settled law. The whole point of putting the impeachment process in the Constitution was to make it possible to render the President into an ordinary citizen, ie impeach, convict, then indict.

Sure, tax and/or bank fraud is impeachable. If they could prove it they would already be doing it.

J

[Aeson]

I just love this one. The Cohen pleading charges no such thing and any 1st-year law student would say so or flunk an exam.


There is actually. It was settled in during Nixon's term and reaffirmed during Clinton's. Both parties have had a crack at it, so it should be considered settled law. The whole point of putting the impeachment process in the Constitution was to make it possible to render the President into an ordinary citizen, ie impeach, convict, then indict.

Sure, tax and/or bank fraud is impeachable. If they could prove it they would already be doing it.

J

It's cute you think an R Congress would impeach an R president. (or D Congress impeach a D President)

[Giancarlo]

I just love this one. The Cohen pleading charges no such thing and any 1st-year law student would say so or flunk an exam.

So what law school did you graduate from?

Considering my education encompassed the law, you have no clue what you are talking about.

I'm still considering going back and getting my JD.

There is actually. It was settled in during Nixon's term and reaffirmed during Clinton's. Both parties have had a crack at it, so it should be considered settled law. The whole point of putting the impeachment process in the Constitution was to make it possible to render the President into an ordinary citizen, ie impeach, convict, then indict.

Sure, tax and/or bank fraud is impeachable. If they could prove it they would already be doing it.

J

No. It hasn't been done before and nothing is officially on the books. And times change. By the way, you don't know half of anything. The President can be removed by the 25th amendment, as a certain vice President was (Spiro Agnew who later pled guilty to tax evasion) .

You have no clue what you are talking about once again. And yes very cute you think the republican party would hold Trump responsible. Even if Trump violated more laws they wouldn't do ****.

Oh and I don't know... Running a fake university sounds illegal to me.

[onejayhawk]

It's cute you think an R Congress would impeach an R president. (or D Congress impeach a D President)

Absolutely, if there was a genuine crime committed. The kind of air and vapor fabrication that CNN deals with, not. They are just trying to overturn an election result they don't like.

J

[Aeson]

Absolutely, if there was a genuine crime committed. The kind of air and vapor fabrication that CNN deals with, not. They are just trying to overturn an election result they don't like.

So cute.

[Giancarlo]

Absolutely, if there was a genuine crime committed. The kind of air and vapor fabrication that CNN deals with, not. They are just trying to overturn an election result they don't like.

J

If there was a genuine crime committed, Devin Nunes would start a personal investigation and clear Trump of all charges.

Oh and what election result? The one where Trump barely got more votes than Mitt Romney and lost by three million votes?

This has nothing to do with overturning an election. It has everything to do with accountability. Trump has violated all sorts of laws, including financial laws (involving the Trump organization which is under criminal investigation) and Trump University (which committed financial fraud), and the emoluments clause.

You just can't stop kissing his ass. It's almost sad.

[Ben Kenobi]

Was there any Republican president other than Nixon that was likely to be impeached? I know that Bush 2 and Reagan could have been, but no one talked about it seriously. I don't think that Bush 1 did anything impeachable. I don't think Ford did either.

There have been impeachment votes proposed for all of them. Most, (like Trump's will), never see the floor. Democrats went on extensively about Bush II. Never happen. If we've seen this show everytime, it sort of loses it's novelty.

The psychology of it is quite simple. It worked once, with Nixon, so there's nothing for Democrats to lose by pushing for it again. Nevermind that it's nearly 50 years ago, and you'd have to be a senior citizen to actually remember him and not what has been written about him since.

[Ben Kenobi]

Like your lie about democrats voting for Trump (didn't happen).

The county map for Trump is quite interesting particularly in areas like Iowa, Wisconsin, Michigan, Indiana, Pennsylvania, and Minnesota.

It's quite clear in these areas, particularly in the rural plains that Obama democrats switched to Trump. Just like all the folks in the #walkaway today. Why should rural folks in Iowa vote Democrat? What's exactly in the Democrat package for them?

[Jon Miller]

There have been impeachment votes proposed for all of them. Most, (like Trump's will), never see the floor. Democrats went on extensively about Bush II. Never happen. If we've seen this show everytime, it sort of loses it's novelty.

What impeachment vote proposed for Ford/Bush 1? Was there one actually proposed for Reagan? (There definitely could have been over Iran Contra, but I think that everyone was OK with it being pursued by a special investigation which never got close to Reagan.)

Was there any Democrat leadership that proposed one for Bush 2?

I am not talking about a handful of socialists/communists/etc proposing something, or even 1 or 2 of the most left congress members. I mean leadership or large number of congress members.

JM

[Giancarlo]

The county map for Trump is quite interesting particularly in areas like Iowa, Wisconsin, Michigan, Indiana, Pennsylvania, and Minnesota.

It's quite clear in these areas, particularly in the rural plains that Obama democrats switched to Trump. Just like all the folks in the #walkaway today. Why should rural folks in Iowa vote Democrat? What's exactly in the Democrat package for them?

No and no.

Many people did not vote. Turn out was much lower.

Why should rural votes vote republican? What's exactly in the Republican package for them? Higher tariffs killing their businesses?

Matter of fact, what in the republican package benefits anyone who doesn't make in the high six figures or above?

You are still grossly naive and misinformed as always. Walkaway? Stupidity. Walk away from the country as Trump wrecks it? Good plan! Democrats are turning out in big numbers. Not much walking away done there.

Democrats care more about average people. Republicans are in the pocket of the rich. Maybe you would get that by now.