Video on how to get a woman?

[David Floyd]

I've concluded that either Speer is lying (unlikely, who would lie about themselves by saying what he's saying) or just flat out has no game (much more likely). As an easy example, the girl who you offered to help work out, I'll bet dollars to ****ing donuts that you did it in a way that made her feel insecure and uncomfortable. Not intentionally, mind you, but I bet you did.

[Al B. Sure!]

Dave:

No, this is how it happened... I text her if she would like to get something to eat after work tomorrow. She text me back that she would but it would be after 5. I had text her alright but I'll have to change the time I was going to the gym. She text me back, Oh so you work out? I need to. I want to lose some weight. I said, well if you're serious about it, I can show you some exercises like physical train you. She said yeah can we do that instead of getting something to eat? It would probably be better than just eating. So I said alright i'll be your physical trainer.

[Kitschum]

But it sounds like it's not the physical problem. Maybe you just don't wax eloquently.

Yeah, unkempt body hair can be a deal breaker.

[David Floyd]

AS,

Yep, that's about what I figured happened.

[Al B. Sure!]

Dave:

What's wrong with what happened? What did I do wrong?

[David Floyd]

To start with, given that you'd never even been out on a date yet, when she said "You work out? I need to lose weight" why not say "Nah, you look great" and then move on to the date. Then, if she actually needed to lose weight (which isn't a given when it comes to women saying they do), and you still liked her after the date, why not structure future dates to involve physical activity without being obvious about it? Or, for that matter, worry about going to the gym together after you've had drinks/lunch/etc. a couple of times? Or, you know, just let her handle it on her own unless she asks you for help?

[Al B. Sure!]

I thought this would be an active unconventional date... you know, like what the pickup artist strives for?

[David Floyd]

I think the "pickup artist" strives for picking up women.

More importantly, I doubt she saw it the same way. In fact, I'd be willing to be that she stopped looking at it (or you) as a date as soon as you immediately offered to help her start working out when she said she needed to lose weight. It's tough to gauge from Internet hearsay, but your response is not the way I would have taken it.

[aneeshm]

First of all, DF's analysis is excellent.

Secondly, this string of conversations you've narrated here bring up a more important point while dealing with a woman in a personal setting. You should completely ignore everything she says (except insofar as it's relevant), and focus on what she does or indicates. You'll find that that is a far better and more reliable way of gauging the situation. She could say one thing, but often it's simply indicative of what she wants her mental state to be, instead of what it actually is. Her actions and other non-verbal indicators will, however, belie her words.

Another thing I noticed in the narrated conversations was your supplicating and in general wanting-to-please attitude. At least from what you've let on here, you let women into your life too easily. For instance, she simply had to say that she wanted to lose weight and you immediately offered her something - your time and energy. This sort of offering is (correctly) perceived by the woman as a supplicant bringing tribute, or a shady character offering a bribe, or both. They know what you want out of the exchange, and she'll lose respect (and, consequently, her attraction) for you if this is your modus operandi.

[Az]

Really? Women don't usually find me very attractive. I suspect they do during that initial interested week but after that, they don't. Don't get me wrong, I've had women tell me I'm attractive but I've also had far more women tell me they don't find me attractive.

And even for those that find me attractive, they might say something like yes I'm attractive but they're not attracted to me. Don't think that a six-pack, 15-inch biceps, a Mediterranean-tan, being over 6 foot, etc. means I'm a suave playboy. Really, the only compliments I get from women are believe it or not, about my legs, women saying I have great big legs or something. Women like weird things.

It seems that you are numb-mindingly boring + insecure. aren't you in Marine OCS?! You've got the jock build you got a jock occupation but it seems that you are dispensing some sort of terrible vibe.

I had that picture on my facebook profile and one chick responded with "clothes... wear some" Now, lest you think that was some tactic akin to a 12 year old punching someone they like, after I expressed interest in her, she deleted my number from her phone and blocked my facebook. I didn't do anything crazy. I just asked her out and as we got to talking about that, something about working out came up so I offered to help her work out (she said she needed to so I offered to help her). I showed her some exercises and stuff but within a few days, she abruptly cut off all contact. (Just to show more examples that led me to complete bewilderment... I had a girl invite me to her house. We hung out a while there, everything went great, we went for a walk, listened to music, etc. but I felt something off when I was leaving. I had asked her out on a date but when the time came, she didn't answer my calls, etc. Then, she unfriended me from facebook and told me to never talk to her again)

you're what, 25? if ain't got shirtless pics on facebook now, it is not going to happen. **** that insecure chick for not having the guts to hit on you or to respond to your passes. next.

Besides, I don't believe women really give a crap about looks. I've seen some incredibly mismatched couples and guys who the girls who didn't like me dated before or after I tried. I would like to show pictures from their facebooks just to show the disparity but that's not respecting their privacy. Now, a lot of these guys play sports so I understand that but some of them don't.

yes, it happens. but women, much like men, care about many things in a partner. You've got most of them.

I don't really have friends. I mean I do but 'not hang out with' friends. I might run into them at the gym or something and bust it up for a while or comment on each others facebook statuses or something but not like I hang out with them. See, during college, I worked two jobs so I never had anytime to do anything social. I never went to any parties or anything. It's kind of messing things up for me because it's limited my ability to meet people and made me somewhat socially awkward.

ahh, yes, this is pretty much it. you fix that. you fix that fast, you hear me? I am not going to teach you how to make friends.

[MikeH]

In fact, this is probably the gayest thread of the year so far. We've got all the confirmed bachelors strutting around and loudly proclaiming how they get mystical and retarded creatures called "women" to have sex with them through a series of arcane ninja rituals, before being distracted by each other's pecs and making approving noises about working out and wrestling.

Come out. You won't find Narnia in there.

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

Secondly, this string of conversations you've narrated here bring up a more important point while dealing with a woman in a personal setting. You should completely ignore everything she says (except insofar as it's relevant), and focus on what she does or indicates. You'll find that that is a far better and more reliable way of gauging the situation. She could say one thing, but often it's simply indicative of what she wants her mental state to be, instead of what it actually is. Her actions and other non-verbal indicators will, however, belie her words.
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Speaking as the father of two daughter I'd like to remind all readers that "no" should still be interpreted as "no."

[Kuciwalker]

[aneeshm]

Speaking as the father of two daughter I'd like to remind all readers that "no" should still be interpreted as "no."

You should completely ignore everything she says (except insofar as it's relevant)...

Reading is a lost art.

[Asher]

So is humour.

Your writing style is so ostentatious and verbose it's sometimes hard to decipher WTF you are trying to say.