When your military service and patriotism counts for nothing . . . .

[Patroklos]

As there is a schism, it seems some do consider in not Christian.

And I was under the impression the schism was headed the other way.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Kid didn't know there were gay pastors!

[Wezil]

Originally posted by Patroklos
As there is a schism, it seems some do consider in not Christian.

And I was under the impression the schism was headed the other way.

From my understanding organised religion has been losing 'members' regularly, however the loss is less dramatic in the 'fundy' sects.

[Proteus_MST]

One question remains of course:
Who is (in the eye of fundamental christians) the greater abomination?

Someone who keeps secret that he is gay (because he fears that fundamental christians call him an abomination) or the person who openly lives his gay lifestyle no matter what christian fundamentalists say

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Patroklos
As there is a schism, it seems some do consider in not Christian.

Doesnt necessarilly follow. The conservative Episcopals clearly think the liberal Episcopals are WRONG, and not following the Episcopal approach to the bible. It doesnt mean they think the liberal Episcopals are not Christians.

Episcopals in general think that, say, Presbyterians are wrong to not have bishops. Does that mean the Episcopals think the Presbys arent Christians?


Heck, why do i of all people have to explain this ****?

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui


Kid didn't know there were gay pastors!

seems like the only folks who really keep up with the Christian churches are Conservative jews and Nietschean ex-muslims?

[Lorizael]

Originally posted by Proteus_MST
One question remains of course:
Who is (in the eye of fundamental christians) the greater abomination?

Someone who keeps secret that he is gay (because he fears that fundamental christians call him an abomination) or the person who openly lives his gay lifestyle no matter what christian fundamentalists say

I think the open lifestyle is considered more wrong because it means you don't think you have to repent. If you're hiding what you're doing it means you probably think it's wrong on some level, which means you might be willing to ask for forgiveness.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Wezil


From my understanding organised religion has been losing 'members' regularly, however the loss is less dramatic in the 'fundy' sects.

Maybe in Canada. In the US, the fundies are growing. (so are some non-Christian relgiions, like islam, Buddism, and Hinduism, and orthodox Judaism) In europe the fundies are growing, but are still pretty small.

In africa christians and muslims are growing at the expense of animists (are they organized?)

[Wezil]

Isn't that what I said?

edit - nm, I stated all were losing to some extent. I stand corrected. I wasn't sure they were actually growing (didn't want to stick my neck out that far).

[Shrapnel12]

Actually according to the Bible and depending on your interpretation, it is not a sin to be gay, but just to actually have gay sex. Of course that's not very likely to happen. There's nothing however in the Bible about treating gays so poorly. I don't have to like anyone or be friends with anyone I don't want to be, but we should treat everyone as humans, not animals.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Shrapnel12
Actually according to the Bible and depending on your interpretation, it is not a sin to be gay, but just to actually have gay sex.

According to the majority opinion of the Conservative Movement's Committee on Jewish Law and Standards, Leviticus only bans gay anal sex. (other stuff is banned by later legal works, but modern rabbis can overrule the later stuff on grounds of human dignity) So gays can be rabbis, have commitment ceremonies etc on the assumption that they do other stuff. And of course we dont ask them the details of what they do in the bedroom, just as we dont ask straight couples if they avoid sex during periods, but assume that they follow the law.

Dont you just love loopholes?

(and if you dont, there are factions within the C movement, that dont like the above decision either, in both directions. The faction that considered all gay sex banned by Leviticus got enough votes so that its position is ALSO considered normative for C Judaism. Thus individual rabbis, seminaries, etc may follow EITHER opinion)

[Jon Miller]

Originally posted by Kidicious


Is this a joke. This is the first time that I've heard of gay pastors.

... and me fundie? Fundamentalist Commie maybe.

edit: I guess it's not a joke

www.gaychristian.net

Lutherans have gay pastors.

JM

[Kidlicious]

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[Apocalypse]

Catholicism has many gay pastors too. It is used as an example of how being homosexual is not a sin, but practicing it is, just like any other sex outside of marriage.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Originally posted by Jon Miller
Lutherans have gay pastors.

JM

Though that is definitely something of great controversy in the American Lutheran church (ELCA).