Netherlands to vote Nee on the European Constitution

[DAVOUT]

The under valuation of the florin is strange, since at this date the Dutch currency was closely linked to the DM.

[Ramo]

So, are there going to be regular votes till the Dutch and French vote for the Constitution, or will there be another Constitutional Convention to hammer out a new Constitution (or amend the rules so that unanonymity isn't required for the Constituion to be accepted)?

[DAVOUT]

The vote on the convention shows the limit of the consensus method. The aim for too many countries to reach an agreement on too many subjects cannot be achieved.

For instance, the article II-70 on religion is absolutely necessary for certain countries and totally unacceptable for others. No consensus can be reached on such a point because it is a matter of principle which are not only different but opposed.

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by Ramo
So, are there going to be regular votes till the Dutch and French vote for the Constitution?

Unlikely. I don't think that any French politician would gamble his whole political carreer on a referendum that is very likely to disgust the people. In my surroundings, even pro-Oui people are disgusted by the idea.

[C0ckney]

Originally posted by lightblue
I think the idea of a European superstate is never going to happen. It feels like more and more the EU will turn more into what countries like the UK or Poland want from it, i.e. a free trade zone with free movement of goods and to a certain extent people.

that is exactly what the EU should be about, free trade

[DAVOUT]

Originally posted by C0ckney


that is exactly what the EU should be about, free trade

Free trade does not need the EU. It should be dismantled, and a new club could be made by countries agreing on a unity wider than free trade.

[C0ckney]

if other countries want to go down the superstate route, then that's cool, but the UK most certainly won't be joining them.

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by C0ckney
if other countries want to go down the superstate route, then that's cool, but the UK most certainly won't be joining them.

Excellent

If only the European elites had the sense to understand such a simple thing.

[Robert]

The change that the dutch will vote 'Nee' is 0%
Though the change that it'll become "tegen" which means "against" is about 55%.

We don't vote "Ja" (yes) or "Nee" (no)
We have to vote for or against. (or blanco)

There's not really one reason why much voters vote against.
reasons are:
- they want to give a signal
- they are against the politics of our current administration
- they are against the euro
- they don't want turkey to be a part of the eu
- we're in a low conjuncture and people blame the eu for that
- people blame the eu for everything
- people don't understand the constitution and vote against it for that reason
- people didn't read the constitution and vote against it for that reason
- people hate it that animal rights won't increase in this constitution and vote against it for that reason (eventhough a 'tegen' won't change anything as well)
- dutch people just love it to be 'tegen' in general
- people are afraid the netherlands will be a part of a united states of europe

anyway, the 'tegen' vote has little to do with the constitution. It has everything to do with people having no clue about what's going on. they have on interest in learning what's going on. Don't don't do anything to learn what's going on. But they still blame the politicans for that they don't know and vote against it for that reason.

Yeah, we dutch are really one country filled with crying babies.

I'll vote yes btw 8)

[Robert]

I mean: I'll vote 'for'
there's no 'yes' option

Oh, this vote shows that referenda are evil b/c people are too dumb too vote for these kinda complex things.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

How much of this is a reaction towards Chirac and French superstatism?

[DeathByTheSword]

in the netherlands?

dunno...we dont like chirac or the german PM...we hate it that the 3 big countries french, german and brittian always do everthing there own way...and i think this constitution would limit that but i am not sure about that...

stupid unclear constution and yes i will still vote yes

[Robert]

I think it's a little surrealistic to expect the biggest nations of europe not act like the biggest nations of europe. That's democracy.

Overhere in The Netherlands Noord Holland, Zuid Holland, Noord Brabant and Utrecht are most important. Drente isn't happy with that.

But it's very very very logical that the biggest countries are most important in the EU. That's something we, inhabitants of the small Netherlands, have to learn to deal with.

Of course another option is listening to the pope, stop using condoms and the pill and breed much children.

No, not 3 childeren or 4. Breed 10 children per familie.
Of course the men should stop listening to the pope ('stop' ) and start to breed with every single woman overhere to make sure that even the single women will breed AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE children.

And then, when there are over 80 million dutch people stuffed in this small little country, and our dikes will stay up for a little, WE WILL RULE EUROPE AND BE ALLMIGHTY AND IMPORTANT

[CapTVK]

Vote Blank! Tell everyone

My god it´s so simple! I have the answer! This way we get a result that´s suitable for everybody!


VOTE BLANK


It´s the ultimate protest vote, To all the dutch posters here call or txtmsg everyone and tell to them vote BLANK. Most people will vote either yes or no but if more then 10% vote blank the end result will stand but lose it meaning due to the protest blank vote. If you know any dutch posters tell them to spread the word.





ALL DUTCH POSTERS CALL, MSG, OR EMAIL THEM TO VOTE BLANK SPREAD THE WORD . CALL NOW! THERE´S STILL TIME!

[BlackCat]

Won't work. My local radio says that they have to press a yes or no button - didn't mention a blank button. (I know it's not yes/no, but couldn't bother to find the right )