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Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
What you 'want' is totally irrelevant. Why don't you focus on how the world actually is?
What you 'want' is totally irrelevant. Why don't you focus on how the world actually is?
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It's not irrelevant at all. If mankind had focused only on how the world actually is, we'd still be living caves. Instead we've constantly striven for something better. I see no reason to stop now. -
Mankind has striven for what is ATTAINABLE! Not pipe dreams (well except for the commies, and look how that turned out).
With the anarchic nature of the international system there will be no superior control federal authority. The strongest powers in the system will not give that power up.“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
- John 13:34-35 (NRSV)Comment
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The majority of people want Bush to work within the UN. Why exactly is that an unattainable goal? Aside from the fact that Bush is nothing but a warmonger. He hasn't even considered any other option but brute force.Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Mankind has striven for what is ATTAINABLE! Not pipe dreams (well except for the commies, and look how that turned out).Comment
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You said, and I quote:
By moving against what little we have in place now in regards to international justice, the US risks forgoing any such system from ever taking hold.
International 'Justice' is unattainable. There is no use talking about it.
True international justice is if the UN went around taking out Saddam, the Ayatollahs in Iran, the Taliban (when it had the chance), Sharon, etc. They had problems even with the Taliban after 9/11. To wish for 'international justice' is akin to dream of time machines.
Actual justice (nationally or internationally) is what the majority of people feel will be justice. If Bush suceeds, it will be deemed justice. If he fails, it probably won't.“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
- John 13:34-35 (NRSV)Comment
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Since you've already closed your mind to the concept, then I guess you're right.Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
International 'Justice' is unattainable. There is no use talking about it.Comment
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Imran, when does your unit ship out?"When all else fails, a pigheaded refusal to look facts in the face will see us through." -- General Sir Anthony Cecil Hogmanay MelchettComment
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If you want to be critical at least be fair. You have no idea what Bush has or has not considered.Originally posted by Willem
The majority of people want Bush to work within the UN. Why exactly is that an unattainable goal? Aside from the fact that Bush is nothing but a warmonger. He hasn't even considered any other option but brute force.
Working through the UN? Yeah, right. The UN has no authority over it's member nations. The UN can't save you. The US can.Comment
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What does that have to do with anything?Originally posted by uh Clem
Imran, when does your unit ship out?I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
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I guess he thinks I'm for the war in Iraq, DD
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“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
- John 13:34-35 (NRSV)Comment
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Give me a break! He's said so many times now that he will go it alone if need be. Or do you hear only what you want to?Originally posted by jimmytrick
If you want to be critical at least be fair. You have no idea what Bush has or has not considered.
The UN worked fairly well with Kuwait!Working through the UN? Yeah, right. The UN has no authority over it's member nations. The UN can't save you. The US can.Comment
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The UN worked fairly well with Kuwait!
The UN was only used to serve as a barometer of support for the US coalition, which was already in place BEFORE the UN resolution. If it failed (ie, USSR vetoed it), Kuwait still would have been liberated.
The UN is useful in many things, but war making, it is not.“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
- John 13:34-35 (NRSV)Comment
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