Would We Believe This Time?

[Chowlett]

Luke 2:41-50

[mordhiem]

Originally posted by Chowlett
"I refuse to prove to you that I exist" says God. "For Proof denies Faith, and without Faith I am nothing."
"Ah" says Man, "but the Babel Fish is a dead giveaway, isn't it? Nothing that useful could have evolved by chance. It proves You exist, so by Your own argument You don't. QED."
"Oh," says God, "I hadn't thought of that," and dissapears in a puff of logic.
"That was easy." says Man, and, as an encore, goes on to prove that black is equal to white, and gets himself killed on the next zebra crossing.

Yes, of course! How could I have been so blind?

Douglas Adams was the second coming!

[Ethelred]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse


Isn't that in the Apocrypha?

The Apocrypha are all from the Old Testament time period. They aren't in the Jewish version of the Bible. They were in the first version of the King James and of course are still in the Catholic versions.

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Ethelred


Were there any miracles? There is not a bit of contemporary support for them, unless the Bible is accurate, and cosidering the ambiguity and contradictions in it I see no reason to accept it as an accurate representation of what happened. Many of the claimed miracles in the Bible are similar to what was claimed for other religious figures of the time.

It is my belief that Jesus Christ used chakra to heal many of the ill or injured people he came across.

[Ethelred]

Originally posted by MrFun


It is my belief that Jesus Christ used chakra to heal many of the ill or injured people he came across.

Ever see the documentary Marjoe? He did the same exact healing stuff that every other tent and TV preacher does. While doing drugs and two girls at a time. Medical miracles aren't miracles. Just low probability events.

Raising the dead is not an exclusive claim of christians so I simply don't see any reason to believe it happened. Apparently dead people getting up again isn't a miracle either. It happens and no miracle is needed since the person wasn't really dead.

[Provost Harrison]

...of course, it could just be that stories being passed on by word of mouth and then being rewritten and reinterpreted so many times over the millennia could mean it is all nonsense alternatively. You never know, someone at their stuff now could be recorded as a deity in millennia to come by distortion of the true facts...

[Carver]

This is a question we don't need to consider. The word of God says that when Jesus returns he will return as a Prince in clouds of glory and all men shall see him simultaneously. There will be no question of wether it is Jesus' return or not. All men shall see him and 144,000 living persons will be saved and lifted from the Earth, the rest shall perish.

[Provost Harrison]

144,000? That's very specific

[Ethelred]

The word of God says that when Jesus returns he will return as a Prince in clouds of glory and all men shall him simultaneously. There will be no question of wether it is Jesus' return or not.

It also said that this would before the generation that Jesus was speaking to would pass. They passed many centuries ago.

All men shall see him and 144,000 living persons will be saved and lifted from the Earth, the rest shall perish.

Nice. Another savage and unwarranted slaughter of most of the human race.

Even the JWs aren't quite this crazy. Maybe its because there are more than 144,000 JWs. Or you are a JW and don't know your own religion.

This is just one more good reason to be thankfull the Bible isn't accurate. Humans weren't murdered by a psychophathic god via a world wide flood so I guess we won't be murdered in the future for not being one of the 144,000.

[Plan Austral]

Originally posted by Carver
This is a question we don't need to consider. The word of God says that when Jesus returns he will return as a Prince in clouds of glory and all men shall him simultaneously. There will be no question of wether it is Jesus' return or not. All men shall see him and 144,000 living persons will be saved and lifted from the Earth, the rest shall perish.

That is a wrong interpretation.
A few paraghraphs before it says that millions will be saved.

The 144.000 would be like the purest ones, the virgins who choose to follow christ and committed no sins etc etc.

[Apocalypse]

I really can't see myself believing in a Christian God, though here is a quote I like that kinda fits in:
"God's in His Heaven, All's Right With the World"

[Carver]

Just to be clear, many people who followed God will be killed by war and persecution before the arrival of Jesus. Millions will be saved. 144,000 is just the number of those alive at the time of his arrival that will be saved.

[MrFun]

I do not believe in that Jesus Christ literally resurrected from the dead.

However, I do believe that he used chakra -- today's modern televanelists are corrupt by taking advantage of guillible people -- there's a difference from what Jesus Christ did thousands of years ago, and what corrupt televangelists are doing today.

[alva]

Originally posted by Kublai-Khan



That is a wrong interpretation.
A few paraghraphs before it says that millions will be saved.

The 144.000 would be like the purest ones, the virgins who choose to follow christ and committed no sins etc etc.

he might have some trouble finding this many

[Ethelred]

Originally posted by Carver
Just to be clear, many people who followed God will be killed by war and persecution before the arrival of Jesus. Millions will be saved. 144,000 is just the number of those alive at the time of his arrival that will be saved.

Just to be as clear as the Bible was. This was ALL supposed to have happened in the lifetime of the people listening to the prophecy.

Lots of other false prophecies in the Bible as well. There is no reason to believe there was a first time so it is still the case the there can't be a second time till there is a first.

Even by your reinterpretation of the Bible you still have Jehovah engaging in more pathological conduct. Killing millions or billions is still psychotic either way.