Did the Axis have any chance at all in WWII?

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by UberKruX


well the US pursuaded them to figth Japan, didn't they?

OH WHAT TANGELED WEBS WE WEAVE.

The Russian-Japanese fight lasted around a week, and they got a fair deal of territorial concessions out of it. Getting the Roosians to fight the Japanese in 1945 was a PR stunt.

[Velociryx]

The Axis was doomed so long as Hitler was calling the shots in Germany. He started strong....didn't have what it took to finish the game.

Should have sued for peace somewhere, and given his Japanese counterpart an a$$ whoopin for even contemplating the attack at Pearl.

If he hadn't been so hell bent on going after Russia, he could have consolidated his Euro gains, seen Japan rape most of China, and called it a day.

Greed.

Gets 'em every time.

-=Vel=-

[Ethelred]

Originally posted by orange
Better question is: If Barbarossa never took place (in other words: Operation Hitler is a bleeding moron) could Germany have conquered England?

No. Germany didn't have a chance and even Hitler knew it. The US and Britain spent years preparing for the Channel crossing and it was still fairly hard with all that experience from making landings in the Pacific.

The German plan depended on the Luftwaffe acting as artillery support, bombing roads, beating Fighter Command, stopping the British Navy and most likely making Hitler's coffee all at the same time.

[Inverse Icarus]

Originally posted by Velociryx

If he hadn't been so hell bent on going after Russia, he could have consolidated his Euro gains, seen Japan rape most of China, and called it a day.

leibensraum anyone? what nation had the most jews in it? russia.

ethnic cleansing his own nation wasnt enough, he didnt want any nasties immigrating into it later either,

[Ethelred]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
No matter how much time passes, you're still left with 20 miles of open water to cross with the best navy in the world just waiting for those nice, soft troop ships...

And Germany didn't HAVE any troop ships. They requistioned river barges for the job. Hurt river shipping in the process.

[orange]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
orange, the disparity of forces was most overwhelming near the start of the war. The UK didn't start taking the war seriously until the 8 awful weeks in the spring of 1940.

Once a cold war situation develops, you have to remember that Germany is only barely outproducing the British, and they have the headache of trying to keep the occupied territories from revolting. No matter how much time passes, you're still left with 20 miles of open water to cross with the best navy in the world just waiting for those nice, soft troop ships...

Did I stutter when I said that I think sealion was doomed to failure?

[orange]

Originally posted by UberKruX


well the US pursuaded them to figth Japan, didn't they?

OH WHAT TANGELED WEBS WE WEAVE.

That was after the evil communist dictator became "Uncle Joe"

[Velociryx]

Like I said, Uber....Greed in one form or another. Should have left well enough alone....didn't he read about the last Euro to try Russia in the winter?

Shoulda studied those history books...tsk tsk....

-=Vel=-

[KrazyHorse]

Ethelred

You don't need that much shipping, as long as you can protect it. The distance is short enough that you can make multiple trips every day. Grab a beachhead with 25-30 000 troops, go back, get more...

I don't think it would have succeeded, but it was Hitler's best chance of getting across the Channel.

[Inverse Icarus]

Originally posted by Velociryx
Like I said, Uber....Greed in one form or another. Should have left well enough alone....didn't he read about the last Euro to try Russia in the winter?

Shoulda studied those history books...tsk tsk....

-=Vel=-

it's pretty damn funny how NO ONE beats russia (except the mongols of course).

i made a note of that in my world domination plans. i re named them "My World Domination Minus Russia Plans".

goign to bed for the night. Physics Practice AP test tomorrow morning. later all.

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by orange


Did I stutter when I said that I think sealion was doomed to failure?

I'm saying that sea lion gave the best chance Hitler was ever going to have. The longer he waited, the worse things got.

[orange]

Originally posted by UberKruX
leibensraum anyone?

what, 250,000 sq. miles of central Europe wasn't enough?

[Sprayber]

Say the Germans had made peace with America and Britain, could they have held their territory together for all these years?

[KrazyHorse]

Probably not, unless they evolved into a less repressive government.

[orange]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
I'm saying that sea lion gave the best chance Hitler was ever going to have. The longer he waited, the worse things got.

I agree, but I still don't think he ever had a shot at doing it successfully...even assuming he went for it right after Poland...or even right after Norway...