Deaf "culture"

[Dis]

why do the Amish get special privledges? This is bullsh!t

I really don't think the goverment has the right to force kids to go to school. I had no idea I lived under such an oppressive goverment.

I did look it up under my state. It seems you have to go to school until age 16. I figured some areas are so rural that parents just have their kids work on the ranch, instead of go to school. I suppose they are breaking the law, but it isn't enforced.

[DanS]

Dissident: how do you know it isn't enforced?

[Asher]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
That's because you're all right-wing nutters out there, and you can't even run your "protest" parties properly.

*chuckles about Alliance leadership troubles*

The Alliance is full of nutjobs, in no way do I support them.

I'd REALLY not like the NDP to become federal government, and put in place your government-babysitting crap, KrazyHorse.

Raising kids is up to the parents, not minimum-wage employees working for socialists.

[Ted Striker]

Originally posted by DinoDoc


The point is that children lack the mental capacity to make informed decisions about submitting themselves to invasive surgery and that parents are the people that have been traditionally entrusted with that responsibility. You're going to have to meet a high burden before you can override that little bit of freedom and the fact that you simply don't like thier decision doesn't cut it. Histrionics notwithstanding.

That isn't the point. The parents made their decision because they didn't want their child to lose her deaf culture. What exactly are they trying to prove at the expense of their child's own happiness?

How do you take something away from a person who never had it?

Nice play on words there, but again, the kid wants to hear, the parents are not letting her hear.

Osweld,

Your genocide argument is also bogus, the kid WANTS the implant, nobody would be forcing it on her.

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by Dissident
why do the Amish get special privledges? This is bullsh!t

They don't get special privileges. Religious groups do, in general, get privileges though. Like I said: "faith-healing" laws are stupid too.

[Asher]

I say give the kid her implant, but don't give the government the choice over the matter. That's asking for royal screwups.

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by Asher
I'd REALLY not like the NDP to become federal government, and put in place your government-babysitting crap, KrazyHorse

Unfortunately there's very little chance of that.

[Dis]

what Ted is trying to say is the reason they are denying the surgery isn't a good enough reason.

So if they changed their story and said the risks to the child are too great for their tastes, would you be happy?

I admit that deaf culture is a pretty stupid thing to say. They should just say the risks are too great for the reward.

[Tingkai]

IIRC, both parents are deaf. Maybe they are afraid that their child won't be able to understand them if she gets an implant or maybe they think she'll be radically different from them. They may also see the implant as a challenge on their life.

People like Striker seem to be saying to the deaf that they do not have a complete life; that the deaf would have a better life with the implant. A lot of deaf people find that insulting.

Those of us who can hear have experience a reality where hearing is vitally important. Reality for the deaf is that hearing is not important. Who is to say who is right.

[Ted Striker]

Originally posted by Tingkai
People like Striker seem to be saying to the deaf that they do not have a complete life; that the deaf would have a better life with the implant. A lot of deaf people find that insulting.

Those of us who can hear have experience a reality where hearing is vitally important. Reality for the deaf is that hearing is not important. Who is to say who is right.

The kid obviously thinks she would have a better life with the implant or else she wouldn't have asked for it!

And yes, I DO think she would have a better life with the ability to hear, and obviously I am biased because I can hear. That ain't the PC thing to say, but hell, there is a reason we have ears. If she doesn't like it, she can have it removed. But to just completely deny her the opportunity is complete BS.

This whole thing is a crock! It's like denying someone with no legs prothetics because you don't want to ruin their, "wheelchair culture?" Give me a break!!!

Dissident,

If they said the risk was too great, fine, I'd be happy with that.

[Caligastia]

Originally posted by Starchild
As for deafness somehow limiting a person's life....PPFFFFF. LordStone, who all the old timers should remember, was born deaf. And last I heard from him, he's leading a full life with higher education, a boyfriend, and an active social life. Deafness only limits you if you let it limit you. There's a ton of stuff available, from sign language to implants, to help the deaf adapt.

I can believe you actually think deafness doesnt have to limit someones life! You loose a lot more than the ability to speak by being deaf, you cant listen to music and compose can you?

If they get an implant then they are no longer deaf, but if they dont they are severely limited in life.

[Caligastia]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Deaf "culture"

Originally posted by Tingkai


It can be the same thing. I have problems understanding people who speak Cantonese. The fact that I can hear what they are saying doesn't make a difference if I don't understand what they say. I am no better off than the deaf person.

So I guess you never listen to music...?

[Caligastia]

Originally posted by Tingkai
People like Striker seem to be saying to the deaf that they do not have a complete life; that the deaf would have a better life with the implant. A lot of deaf people find that insulting.

Those of us who can hear have experience a reality where hearing is vitally important. Reality for the deaf is that hearing is not important. Who is to say who is right.

*bangs head against wall*

So by your logic if someone is born without arms or legs then according to their reality it wouldnt be important to them, after all "who can say"..!

[Rand Al'Tor]

My two eurocents.

First, I don't think the child's oppinion is really important in the matter. He's a child, unable to understand the magnitude of that decision and too easily influenced. They're not allowed to have sex, vote, smoke and drink for the same reasons. (and wouldn't you say that some of these decisions are way less important then this one?)

Second, I'm with the 'no-go' crowd here. Not healing deafness is like not curing a disease that causes someone to lose his legs or even die (though that is a lot worse) Parents' freedom to do with their children as they think is right stops somewhere. The line must be drawn, and it must be drawn here.

[Tingkai]

Originally posted by Caligastia


*bangs head against wall*

So by your logic if someone is born without arms or legs then according to their reality it wouldnt be important to them, after all "who can say"..!

People who are born without an arm or a leg (such as the thalidimide kids) generally say that it doesn't bother them, or words to that effect IIRC. The logic is that they have never experienced having two arms or two legs so they don't know what they are missing. They would say that they don't need two arms. One will do quite fine, thank you.

I know it sounds weird, but that's what they say. Who am I to tell them they are wrong.

Besides, think of it this way. Do you regret the fact that you don't have a third set of arms? Of course not.