Female Genital Mutilation on the rise in Europe

[problem_child]

Originally posted by Elok
Ignoring the boilerplate antireligious screed, should this be called "circumcision"? If they're removing the whole clitoris it's more analogous to emasculation, isn't it? Seems like a minor distinction, I know, but a circumsized man is capable of sexual pleasure and living a full life, so...

And yes, it's ghastly either way, not that it needs to be said.

Actually it doesn't compare. Female circumsision' is incredibly painful, and remains painful throughout her life. It's also more dangerous.

[Monk]

Originally posted by Shi Huangdi
Only 6 years? That seems obscenely short for such a crime.

Yeah it does, especially from an American point of view, but as a matter of fact, it's a step forward. This tightening of the law is recent, part of a series of initiatives to distance ourselves from the time prior to the late nineties. That was a time when critique of everything immigrant-related was met by the establishment with disdain and accusations of racism and xenophobia, and a perfect example of one of those 'sacred' issues that sadly exist in all political cultures, albeit in various forms.

Personally speaking, it's one of several reasons why I changed my political preference from the socialist party to the current government.

Legislative changes happen slowly, especially here, and assuming there's a lot of abused girls out there (we don't know that yet) I foresee further focus on the issue and further tightening of the laws when they grow up to tell their stories. Keep in mind this only became an issue with the arrival of immigrants from Somalia in the nineties.

On another note Shi, given your interest in Europe, I'd like to encourage you to spend time in a European country, maybe as a part of your studies?

[Krill]

This is a vile and barbaric practice. Those who inflict it on children should be manditorially sterilized and have their hands removed so they can never mutiliate another child.

Agreed, but what if the mother, whom had already undergone the procedure, had done this? Chop off her legs as well?

[Last Conformist]

Originally posted by problem_child


Actually it doesn't compare. Female circumsision' is incredibly painful, and remains painful throughout her life. It's also more dangerous.

Female circumcision is more dangerous than castration?

[Last Conformist]

Originally posted by Krill

This is a vile and barbaric practice. Those who inflict it on children should be manditorially sterilized and have their hands removed so they can never mutiliate another child.

Agreed, but what if the mother, whom had already undergone the procedure, had done this? Chop off her legs as well?

Why? Someone having undergone female circumcision in no ways stops you from sterilizing her or cutting of her hands.

Edit: Spelling

[MrFun]

Originally posted by problem_child


Besides, I myself am assimilationist, and I reckon all these immigrant problems are turning up now because of the neo-liberal divide & conquor Polotical Correctness Regime of Insincerity agenda to divide everybody as much as possible and make those differences the most important thing in their lives.

What other outlandish conspiracy theories do you believe in? Do you also believe that extraterrestial life created the Pyramids? That the moon landing was all smoke and mirrors?

[Krill]

Female circumcision is more dangerous than castration?

No idea, but shouldn't they be similar in terms of danger? But then again, we don't practice castration, do we? We are comparing it to what we do, which is male circumcision, which is still something that I don't like. I was circumcised, due to a health reason, and I'm still not 100% happy about that.

this? Chop off her legs as well?
Why? Someone having undergone female circumcision in no ways stops you from sterilizing here or cutting of her hands.

Ok, we can do that as well, then.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Last Conformist
Female circumcision is more dangerous than castration?

No, than circumcision.

[Last Conformist]

Originally posted by Krill

Female circumcision is more dangerous than castration?

No idea, but shouldn't they be similar in terms of danger? But then again, we don't practice castration, do we? We are comparing it to what we do, which is male circumcision, which is still something that I don't like. I was circumcised, due to a health reason, and I'm still not 100% happy about that.

Elok asked if femal circumcision wasn't rather comparable to castration, whereto problem_child answered that it wasn't, since it caused more pain ( ), lifelong pain, and was more dangerous.

Presumably, he holds that it's not comparable to male circumcision at all - I can't imagine a male thinking that that's worse than castration.

[Last Conformist]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker
No, than circumcision.

Well, Elok asked if it ought be compared to emasculation, and problem_child said, no, because it's more dangerous than that.

[Pekka]

Well, they should be pretty much a small phenomenon in here..I have never heard about it being done in here. However if it was done in here by some parents, because no doctor will do that in here, I guess they will be sentenced to... 10 hours in community work.

[problem_child]

Look, unlike many of you unwashed savages, I myself am circumcised, and do not for a moment compare that with the mutilation of female genitalia. For one thing, the 'penis' with females has become the clitoris. So for them it's abit like chopping off your entire penis, as opposed to just the smeg-afflicted skin at the end of it.

But also it's quite different as there are parts of the genitals that get removed that have no male equivalent I imagine, basically cutting away a concentrated and very sensitive bundle of nerve endings because some woman-hating beardy hat-wearer says it must be so eth.

Have you noticed that most pit-of-the-Earth backward goat-shagger countries are also devoutly religious and staunchly sexist? Usually such nations also think nothing of selling/owning/buying/mutilating women and children and yet go on and on about their values alot.

fekkin mugs, and I don't just mean South Carolina either!

[problem_child]

Originally posted by MrFun



What other outlandish conspiracy theories do you believe in? Do you also believe that extraterrestial life created the Pyramids? That the moon landing was all smoke and mirrors?

Of for chrissakes, what's a 'conspiracy theory' about that?!!?!?!?

Actually, the opinion I express there is usually associated with the Right. I don't like Politicqal Correctness. I am tempted to believe that The Corporations promote PC as a way of dividing people up into nice marketable, controlable, little chunks of humanity that is unable to join forces with anybody who wouldn't fill out the exact same set of little boxes on a form.

However, I think it's more to do with highly prejudiced people trying desperately to pretend they're not, that's why their heads explode with PC'isms when confronted with a human of a different hue. People who really arent secretly steeped in prejudice just don't worry about PC'isms as much because they don't find such differences alarming, or a cause to panick and talk bolloxs.

That's what I think anyway.

I also think the PC-Industry promotes PCness, because overwise where would all those Sociology Students find a place for themselves in the world, if not advising on some Race & Gender Committee somewhere. One of the more famous ones in the UK recenty started going on about how Travellers are a race too.

They must be running out of 'oppressed minorities' to seek government money pre-litigating for. I can't stand the victim-mentality that PC champions so mightily. If they have their way, people in Africa and Asia and Latin America will start to PC'erize themselves, like poorer people in 'inner cities' all over the West are already ghettoizing themselves as quikly as they can (as per instructions). People in the 3rd world have more Heart then that though, and unfortunately, too many real problems to buy into it.

PC is all part of the cultural image-suite put out by the big world Bull**** Exporter IMHO.

[St Leo]

Originally posted by Azazel
@ all of you.

Who are you to pass judgement? I you people think that you respect women while putting them in skimpy clothing. Women in Islam recieve real freedom, and are treated as equals. You people have no right to criticize Islam, after all europe had imperialism.

Skimpy clothing is the choice of the individual. You can find many women who do not partake in the practice.

Circumcision is almost invariably something imposed by outsiders. It is almost invariably performed on minors, and yet its effects will last them long past their majority and independence.

It is a permanent mutilation. Clothing is temporary.

[Shi Huangdi]

On another note Shi, given your interest in Europe, I'd like to encourage you to spend time in a European country, maybe as a part of your studies?

I've already been to the UK and Italy, very nice places. I take it when you become rich you'll also pay for me to fly out to Denmark so I can see that too ? If I end up joining the foreign service(diplomat for State dept.) I might get the chance to spend more time over there.