It seems its not common news right now, but it seems most of the big parties in Iraq right now don't want to compete with each other- so they are trying to draw one giant single united parlimentary list for Iraqi voters If this goes forward the legitimacy of that first election might be very suspect.
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Iraq is NOT a quagmire!!!
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Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe
So your positionis more the incompetence of the handling of Iraq as opposed to the actual expected "All is rosy" spin that is only to be expected in the election year, correct?
So even in the previous year, Bush has shut his eyes, plugged his ears, and sung to himself a song over and over . . . . . . .A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.
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Re: Iraq is NOT a quagmire!!!
Originally posted by The diplomat
What's happening in Iraq is normal. It's called a war. In war, people die.
Anybody that thinks that we can defeat terrorists and fight for our interests and not take casualties is living in lala land. We are probably going to suffer a whole lot more than 1000 deaths before the war on terror is over.
We better have the strength of will to persevere no matter how many casualties or we have already lossed.
I can guarantee the terrorists weon't give up after taking 1000 casualties. They will keep fighting because they believe in their cause.
Do we? Do we believe in what we are fighting for?
Are we willing to die for freedom?
(b) Our "freedom" isn't significantly threatened.When all else fails, blame brown people. | Hire a teen, while they still know it all. | Trump-Palin 2016. "You're fired." "I quit."
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Originally posted by The diplomat
Second, we know exactly who are enemies are in the war on terror.
Al Queda is a clear enemy.
It's just a name, about as meaningful as "Thugees." We get some guy from a group affiliated with a group affiliated with a group founded by a guy who trained at a terrorist training camp run by a group affiliated with a group that has ties to Al Qaeda.
It's as clear as a egg on an iceshelf in the fog at night.
The war on terror is not this vague mist that cannot be defined.When all else fails, blame brown people. | Hire a teen, while they still know it all. | Trump-Palin 2016. "You're fired." "I quit."
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Iraq is NOT a quagmire!!!
Originally posted by The diplomat
When Coalition forces kill and maim innocents, it is accidental. When terrorists kill innocents, it's deliberate. Big difference.
Unfortunately, the vast majority of civilian deaths are "selective accidentality", i.e. that the Coalition knows what the effects of its actions are likely going to be but still consider the tradeoff to be worthy of its cause.
Wake up, friend. When an helicopter shoots in a crowd in the middle of the street, when a missile is launched in a residential neighbourhood, you know what is going to happen.In Soviet Russia, Fake borises YOU.
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Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat
Originally posted by The diplomat
Second, we know exactly who are enemies are in the war on terror.“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
- John 13:34-35 (NRSV)
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a gigantic bog
Mass evil unleashed, and goodness sinks.
It is ok to try and assasinate evil men(I think), but fail and kill many thousands of innocents - this is terrorism.
Recent event:
An APC (Bradley-type) is knocked out. Soldiers inside wounded/knocked about escape. Crowd of civvies gather about, some cheering, some merely curious. Weopons of non-mass-destruction fire on location. Mass carnage.
Then statement broadcast by forces of 'goodness' saying that this (presumably harmless release of high explosive and steel with great speed) was to ensure safety of civvies.
This is called 'winning of hearts and minds'.
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Originally posted by MrFun
In the previous year before the election year, I don't think the Bush advisors have made it clear enough that they have serious problems, and that their current policy deicisions are not helping any.
So even in the previous year, Bush has shut his eyes, plugged his ears, and sung to himself a song over and over . . . . . . .
I think it would have been premature to assess the situation given a few months under the belt don't you?
So we have last year where it would have been premature to give a verdict. Then the election year where no-one (either side) is going to give the straight scoop.
What realistically are you expecting?"Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson
“In a democracy, I realize you don’t need to talk to the top leader to know how the country feels. When I go to a dictatorship, I only have to talk to one person and that’s the dictator, because he speaks for all the people.” - Jimmy Carter
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Originally posted by MalevolentLight
I'm sure you'd just love to think that the US invasion is just making all those poor Iraqis into terrorists."I have been reading up on the universe and have come to the conclusion that the universe is a good thing." -- Dissident
"I never had the need to have a boner." -- Dissident
"I have never cut off my penis when I was upset over a girl." -- Dis
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Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe
This would be 2003 your talking about. The year of the actual invasion which went off surprisingly easy and the rest of the fluid aftermath. You seriously think during that short period of time anyone really had a clue as to the situation on ground. (and yes I am talking the entirety of the year)
I think it would have been premature to assess the situation given a few months under the belt don't you?
So we have last year where it would have been premature to give a verdict. Then the election year where no-one (either side) is going to give the straight scoop.
What realistically are you expecting?
Just because there were no major problems at the time, it was foolish for Bush and anyone else, to declare that it would all be downhill from that point on. No one has a crystal ball, but given the complexity of the situation after we intervened, it was naive to declare victory before the war ended (still has not ended).A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.
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Speaking of lala land, MtG, I saw a report tonight on CBS News about Zarqawi. IIRC the story correctly, apparently he has and has had since at least 2000, training camps and operations not only in Iraq, but into Chechnya and Europe, and quite a few other places as well. He was being funded by Saddam and may still be funded by Saddam, but the story linked his funding to Osama bin Laden.
Prior to our invasion, Zarqawi was conducting operations from Baghdad. Among these was the assassination of our ambassador to Jordan.
Today, he is in command of the Sunni resistance -- but he still conducts terror operations outside of Iraq and has cells all over Europe.
If you recall, Zarqawi as cited repeatedly as a reason for the invasion. The fight against him goes on. Iraq was and is a central front on the war on terror even if OBL is elsewhere.http://tools.wikimedia.de/~gmaxwell/jorbis/JOrbisPlayer.php?path=John+Williams+The+Imperial+M arch+from+The+Empire+Strikes+Back.ogg&wiki=en
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Originally posted by Ned
Speaking of lala land, MtG, I saw a report tonight on CBS News about Zarqawi. IIRC the story correctly, apparently he has and has had since at least 2000, training camps and operations not only in Iraq, but into Chechnya and Europe, and quite a few other places as well. He was being funded by Saddam and may still be funded by Saddam, but the story linked his funding to Osama bin Laden.
Prior to our invasion, Zarqawi was conducting operations from Baghdad. Among these was the assassination of our ambassador to Jordan.
Today, he is in command of the Sunni resistance -- but he still conducts terror operations outside of Iraq and has cells all over Europe.
If you recall, Zarqawi as cited repeatedly as a reason for the invasion. The fight against him goes on. Iraq was and is a central front on the war on terror even if OBL is elsewhere.What can make a nigga wanna fight a whole night club/Figure that he ought to maybe be a pimp simply 'cause he don't like love/What can make a nigga wanna achy, break all rules/In a book when it took a lot to get you hooked up to this volume/
What can make a nigga wanna loose all faith in/Anything that he can't feel through his chest wit sensation
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Originally posted by MalevolentLight
I probably have a higher IQ than most the people on this board,Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...
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My IQ is a billion.Jon Miller: MikeH speaks the truth
Jon Miller: MikeH is a shockingly revolting dolt and a masturbatory urine-reeking sideshow freak whose word is as valuable as an aging cow paddy.
We've got both kinds
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Originally posted by Pax
Why didn't we request that Zarqawi be handed over to the U.S. if that was the case. Why don't we just invade all countries that have AQ members.http://tools.wikimedia.de/~gmaxwell/jorbis/JOrbisPlayer.php?path=John+Williams+The+Imperial+M arch+from+The+Empire+Strikes+Back.ogg&wiki=en
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