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We should try to treat them because if not, many millions will die early, needless deaths, and people will be afraid of procreation!!!
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That's a good thing. The AIDS problem will never be solved by "curing" people. It will just get worse and worse. In fact, it isn't even a cure. It just represses AIDS, and you have to keep taking it FOREVER. -
Iran should face greater international scutiny. They're right up there with North Korea for being the most ****ed up bastards on Earth.
Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.Comment
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"Me saying that you want 9-11 makes as much sense as you asking wether Bush wants another one. We know that your question is sarcastic and rhetorical."
I was wondering why you put 9-11 there as a motive in the first place. For the Iraq war, it doesn't make any sense.
"In 1986, we bombed Khadaffi for his support of terrorists"
And this was so effective, assuming that Lockerbie was down to a lybian connection. I have no problem of principle with the 1986 bombing run though - just don't portray it as the miracle solution.
"Under-response has dangers as well as over-response, Roland."
You are on track to make sure that the ME stays a terrorism breeding cesshole for many, many decades to come. The only glimpse at the moment is that they put some pressure on Sharon, but I doubt they're serious about it.“Now we declare… that the law-making power or the first and real effective source of law is the people or the body of citizens or the prevailing part of the people according to its election or its will expressed in general convention by vote, commanding or deciding that something be done or omitted in regard to human civil acts under penalty or temporal punishment….” (Marsilius of Padua, „Defensor Pacis“, AD 1324)Comment
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ok, Roland I see your point.It's simply the lack of anything posted here that deserves a more elaborate discussion.
countless accuses, none of them founded, let away proven:
"the Iran is evil, the Iran is guilty, we must do something. maybe not attacking yet, but yes, maybe later.
we want rataliation for 9/11. what? there´s no link between Iran and al queda found yet? impossible. we will find one. you lefties starting to sound like Bin Ladin would be a CIA guy.
the Iran is evil. see, they even try to get nuclear weapons. even you lefties can´t deny that. you know what we´re talking about? Nuclear Weapons!!! a country that tries to get these weapons must be evil. they try to destroy us. oh, and we don´t need to deliver an evidence. we´re always right. we were right about Iraq on this one, too. they had WMDs. ok we didn´t find them yet, but this doesn´t mean they didn´t have them.
they have no right to get nuklear weapons. they´re a ROGUE STATE!
Iran is an evil regime. you know what they did to us 23 years ago? they took Americans as HOSTAGES!!!!! and the Mullahs are still in power! man this is one of the most evil bull****-countries in the world. for the sake of the peaceloving Iranian people, we need to intervene.
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really, this is all very sickening.
they is no doubt, that the human-right situation in Iran is still problematic. but before you set the whole into fire present something, that is comprehensive for average intellegent people. more than these wishy-washy accuses. an embargo, or even a war wouldn´t change the situation. it would even make everything worse.
where will this all lead to?
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Pretty good summary.
It is amazing how up to date Tocqueville is (see sig).“Now we declare… that the law-making power or the first and real effective source of law is the people or the body of citizens or the prevailing part of the people according to its election or its will expressed in general convention by vote, commanding or deciding that something be done or omitted in regard to human civil acts under penalty or temporal punishment….” (Marsilius of Padua, „Defensor Pacis“, AD 1324)Comment
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The Euros still don't understand that the destruction of Islamic fundamentalism is what we want. It doesn't matter whether a particular faction has direct connection to 911 or not. It doesn't matter whether a fundamentalist country has democratic elements or not. It doesn't matter whether they develop nukes or not. What matters is that we want to destroy all of them.Comment
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Oh we understand that.
It's just that it won't work that way.“Now we declare… that the law-making power or the first and real effective source of law is the people or the body of citizens or the prevailing part of the people according to its election or its will expressed in general convention by vote, commanding or deciding that something be done or omitted in regard to human civil acts under penalty or temporal punishment….” (Marsilius of Padua, „Defensor Pacis“, AD 1324)Comment
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Given the difficulty we faced after the Iraq war, I doubt Bush is willing to trash another country, only to spend billions rebuilding it.Originally posted by HershOstropoler
Oh we understand that.
It's just that it won't work that way.Comment
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You are very uninformed, then." 1. We didn't go into Afghanistan because of the people there. It was to punish a regime that hosted Al Queda. Also, the Northern Alliance was a pretty tenuous force before we went in. And remember there was a northern Kurdish force that backed us in Iraq"
News to me.No, I did not steal that from somebody on Something Awful.Comment
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A little lower:
"Don't kill him you'll only make him mad"?taking them out will only p!ss them off moreNo, I did not steal that from somebody on Something Awful.Comment
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That seems to be the counterpart to "Threatening to kill them suicide bombers will surely deter them".“Now we declare… that the law-making power or the first and real effective source of law is the people or the body of citizens or the prevailing part of the people according to its election or its will expressed in general convention by vote, commanding or deciding that something be done or omitted in regard to human civil acts under penalty or temporal punishment….” (Marsilius of Padua, „Defensor Pacis“, AD 1324)Comment
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Yes, yes - that way our Christian fundamentalists will command the debate and prosper. Any chance we can convince all of the religious fanatics on the planet that a giant space goat is coming?Originally posted by Lord Merciless
The Euros still don't understand that the destruction of Islamic fundamentalism is what we want. It doesn't matter whether a particular faction has direct connection to 911 or not. It doesn't matter whether a fundamentalist country has democratic elements or not. It doesn't matter whether they develop nukes or not. What matters is that we want to destroy all of them.- "A picture may be worth a thousand words, but it still ain't a part number." - Ron Reynolds
- I went to Zanarkand, and all I got was this lousy aeon!
- "... over 10 members raised complaints about you... and jerk was one of the nicer things they called you" - MingComment
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A giant space goat?
(If it's a typo, it's an absolutely brilliant one)“Now we declare… that the law-making power or the first and real effective source of law is the people or the body of citizens or the prevailing part of the people according to its election or its will expressed in general convention by vote, commanding or deciding that something be done or omitted in regard to human civil acts under penalty or temporal punishment….” (Marsilius of Padua, „Defensor Pacis“, AD 1324)Comment
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"What matters is that we want to destroy all of them."
Then you have a lot of work on your hands. A genocide of 1 billion people is pretty hard work, if you don't use nukes.“Now we declare… that the law-making power or the first and real effective source of law is the people or the body of citizens or the prevailing part of the people according to its election or its will expressed in general convention by vote, commanding or deciding that something be done or omitted in regard to human civil acts under penalty or temporal punishment….” (Marsilius of Padua, „Defensor Pacis“, AD 1324)Comment
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1. Oh...I was responding to the empire of oil. Saying that it is an empire of 9-11 instead. Plus, I figured I would be Rolandish by just dropping a comment without explaining it.Originally posted by HershOstropoler
GP:
"Me saying that you want 9-11 makes as much sense as you asking wether Bush wants another one. We know that your question is sarcastic and rhetorical."
I was wondering why you put 9-11 there as a motive in the first place. For the Iraq war, it doesn't make any sense.
"In 1986, we bombed Khadaffi for his support of terrorists"
And this was so effective, assuming that Lockerbie was down to a lybian connection. I have no problem of principle with the 1986 bombing run though - just don't portray it as the miracle solution.
"Under-response has dangers as well as over-response, Roland."
You are on track to make sure that the ME stays a terrorism breeding cesshole for many, many decades to come. The only glimpse at the moment is that they put some pressure on Sharon, but I doubt they're serious about it.
Wrt, Iraq, it DOES make sense. I've already said that we've changed the tripwire. Read back. You might not agree with it. But it is the argument.
2. Many people say that it changed Khadaffi's behavior. And it is really interesting that we got no overflight allowance. May have contributed to one of the crews dying. Next time, I guess we will use Navy air. That may be here or there. Regardless, this is the type of response we've decided on. If anything harsher responses. We tried the lower responses after Cole and Embassy. I don't agree with your "you'll make them hate you more" argument. If they attack us, they are going down. If I really agreed with your point (of "avoiding making things worse", than I would argue against Afghanstan.)*
*Since Afghanistan is a muslim country, etc. Surely it will make people more mad at us, yadayada.
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Isreal is there to stay. The Arabs have attacked it multiple times and have continued terrorist attacks. If they think that 9-11 will change our support for Israel, they are wrong. They better amp up the pressure or learn to beat Isreal in a conventional war or get nukes or something. Cause we are not going to sell them down the river...Comment
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